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Old 29 Aug 2018, 20:25 (Ref:3846960)   #16
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BTW, 1989 was the year Brabham returned to F1 and I was very happy to see Brundle and Modena at Monaco,
very proud of them. I'm a Brabham fan of all by means.
Off topic a bit, but speaking of Brabham and Lotus....
My friend (a Brabham fan...Jack and his cars) and I (Lotus and Rindt fan) were going crazy watching Jochen chase down Brabham in the '70 Monaco GP on the telly. I was elated by Rindt's drive and win, yet, along with my buddy, heartbroken for Jack and his error so close to the line....

Now, back to 1989....

edit: 'Sorry guys. It just dawned on me that I should have PM'd Mekola. I apologize.
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Old 15 Dec 2018, 11:06 (Ref:3870468)   #17
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Welcome to the forum. 1989, my favourite team was Onyx.
The violet and white cars financed by Moneytron.
It seems JP Van Rossem was a true pioneer.
And Johansson did his last ever podium with them.

McLaren today is Lotus in 1989...
Jean-Pierre Van Rossem has passed away at the age of 73.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14...x-f1-team-dies
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Old 15 Dec 2018, 15:58 (Ref:3870529)   #18
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Yeah, he certainly had an interesting life. Shame his funding of Onyx didnt last long enough
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Old 21 Dec 2018, 14:26 (Ref:3871828)   #19
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Shame Onyx couldn't continue. Great little team, well run, good staff, drivers etc.

Bet they would have been up with Tyrrell as best of the rest in 1990 had they found more money.

Just been thinking about the Williams in '89/90. Patrese and Boutsen did ok but I reckon that if the team had a properly quick ace in one of the seats they would have been challenging for wins most of the time.
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Old 21 Dec 2018, 17:34 (Ref:3871859)   #20
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Patrese was definitely more consistent and we already know he could occasionally beat Mansell, so its a big what if
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Patrese was definitely more consistent and we already know he could occasionally beat Mansell, so its a big what if
Patrese was a quicker version of Boutsen.

Both solid no.2's but I feel based on their careers which included stints in at least 2 top teams each, they did not do anything that justified them getting team lead status.

Berger was perhaps one of the best no.2's of the modern era and I never thought of him as a big championship challenger. However, he was better than those 2.

I wonder if the reason Williams had those 2 guys for 89/90 was because no-one better was available, and/or possibly one of the drivers Sir Frank really wanted was seriously injured in 1988.
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Id say Patrese was more a number 1.5 as they say. Quick enough to rise to the occasion when needed. Who can forget him snatching pole in the spare Williams set up for Nige in Portugal?
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Id say Patrese was more a number 1.5 as they say. Quick enough to rise to the occasion when needed. Who can forget him snatching pole in the spare Williams set up for Nige in Portugal?
Which was still an FW14 chassis it must be said!!
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Apologies for just butting in here Lurk a bit around here but usually too shy to post, saw this topic and thought id love to have a go at that (as a big fan of the late 80's/early 90's era, and a big fan of the present day era too), took a few weeks, but got time there to sit down with a pen and paper Its a really interesting thing to think about!

The 'philosophy' I had was that although the drivers are different, the teams would still have the same mindset and look for the same type of drivers as in the REAL 1989. So basically they had the same philosophy too :


McLaren Honda (Original drivers A.Senna and A.Prost)

L.Hamilton
F.Alonso



Well, Ron always wanted the best of everything, the drivers knew he would (probably) have the best car and he had the Marlboro big bucks to pull it off. What a team, what a battle it would be, but can it last?


Scuderia Ferrari (N.Mansell and G.Berger)

D.Riccardo
K.Raikonnen


So sadly, in 1988, Enzo Ferrari had to make what turned out to be his final driver signing. He had some reservations about the theatrics and toomfoolery that come with this Commonwealth driver, but in his heart he knew the guy was a real racer, fast and the rare type who would relish wheel to wheel confrontation with even Hamilton and Alonso yes thats right, Dan Riccardo! Alongside Dan, some say hes in it for the money, and spends too much time thinking about 'off track' matters....but Enzo knew he would be an excellent team player, who would not upset the team dynamic and on his day could whack in a devastating pole or win...it could only be Kimi.


Williams Renault (R.Patrese and T.Boutsen)

S.Vettel
V.Bottas



Although they didn't in 1989, we know from 1990 and subsequent years that Williams were under pressure from sponsors and Renault for a 'name' driver. Seeing that Frank and Patrick were grappling with this, and reading the runes as well as he (arguably) did in 2015, steps the 4 time World Champion Vettel. It may be a tough first year with the Renault engine, but the possibilities are endless, states Vettel. Alongside we have another 'team man', a proven race winner, who can be a bit inconsistent, but is well liked in the paddock and can 'get along' well with big name teammates Valterri Bottas


Bennetton Ford (A.Nannini, J.Herbert/E.Pirro)

M.Verstappen
D.Ticktum



There was shock in the paddock when Verstappen signed a long term deal with Benetton, after talks with McLaren, Ferrari and Williams. But he wanted a team to be his own, and he saw some of himself in the brash, outsider, magnetic style of the Bennetton team of racers/awesome publicity machine whirl. Not even the consensus in the paddock that Ford engines would never reach the top level put him off.

Alongside Benetton have taken a risk, but on a young Briton they rate really highly for his bags of natural talent. Expect fireworks in this team!


Lotus Judd (N.Piquet, S.Nakajima)

J.Button
J.Villeneuve



Struggling to work out their future strategy, but cosseted by masses of Camel cigarette cash, Lotus take the easy, publicity generating, but short term measure of hiring ageing World Champions on huge salaries. Great drivers, but can they still do it at a declining Lotus team?


Tyrrell Ford (M.Alboreto/J.Alesi, J.Palmer)

C.Lecelec
J.Palmer

Bit of a last minute change of mind for Uncle Ken here Eddie Jordan had been in his ear hyping this incredible French-Monecasque in the black and white helmet, until he thought he just had to have him in the car it can only be him, Leclerc! With Leclerc a certainty to pull out some drives beyond the cars potential, what was needed for the second seat was a solid, mature and articulate British driver will a certain J.Palmer suffice?



Brabham Judd (M.Brundle, S.Modena)

C.Sainz
P.Gasly


It was the usual chaos finding the money to pay them, but gosh Brabham secured a lovely blend of youth and expereince for their team. The likable but tough Sainz for the expereince (no podiums in F1 yet, but come on hes better than that) and the youthful Gasly yes he can blow hot and cold, but my goodness when he puts a weekend together he is sensational!



Arrows Ford (D.Warwick, E.Cheever)

K.Magnussen
A.Rossi



With their perpetual struggles with money, Arrows knew before the first race they would be in a tough midfield fight. They knew they needed a no nonsense driver who would put his past disappointment with a big team aside and fight like hell in the midfield who better than Kmag? Because of American sponsorship, the urbane, fast, F1 experienced American Alexander Rossi ideally fits the bill for the second seat.


Moneytron Onyx Ford (S.Johansson, B.Gachot/JJ Lehto)


R.Kubica
L.Norris



What a cult team this will turn out to be! Lovely car, albeit weird owner! Amazingly, they keep popular race winner Kubica in F1, and decide to give youth a chance in the form of Norris - athough there is hilarity in the paddock when it emerges that the eccentric owner of Moneytron gave the drive to Norris solely based on his exceptional knowledge of computers, and particularly the potential future uses of some obscure technology called 'the internet' (like honestly, what even is that?)


Ligier Ford (O.Grouillard, R.Arnoux)

R Grosjean
J.E.Vergene



Guy Ligier is well aware that Gitanetes cigarettes pay the bills, and they want French drivers front of centre in a patriotic team. After unsuccessful flirtations with Leclerc and Gasly, Guy plumbs for fast but erratic Romain Grosjean, and in a surprising move (but a good one all the same), he brings back floppy haired big beast of French motorsport, Jean Eric Vergene, who is burning to prove the big teams dropped him too soon!


March Judd (M.Gugelmin, I.Capelli)

SS Camera
A Fuoco


March going with a youthful Brazillian and Italian, in an exciting Adrian Newey designed car, very much looking to the future this could pay off big time, by, around the French GP 1990....?


Osella Ford (N.Larini, P.Ghinzhni)

E.Ocon
S.Galelel


A mixed team here! Osella quickly went for Sean Gaeal's cash, although he could still show well, he is not a bad pay driver and may become a cult figure in the bright KFC livery he has brought to Osella. At the last minute Osella announced Esteban Ocon, who though he had the Williams seat, lost that to Vettel's last minute decision to go there, meaning he was just too late to get the 'French' Ligier seat, then unaccountably Benetton picked Ticktum...................................continued ad nauseam.


Dallara Ford (A.Caffi, A.De Cesaris)

A. Hubert
S.Perez


Could be a really corking driver line up choice by Dallara. Completely out of left field, choosing a green but fast youngster in Hubert, and then going for one of the most experienced drivers on the grid, who comes with the bonus of sponsorship (and won't back down if he gets near the leaders.....Sergio Perez.


Minardi Ford (P.Martini, L.P.Sala)

S.Vandoorne
R.Mehri



He looked great in junior forumlae....but will he really ever win in F1? Still, you know Vandoorne will give it all he's got hustling a Minardi. And then, out of leftfield, to balance the books Minardi take Spanish driver Roberto Mehri after he comes up with sponsorship.


Lola Lamborghini ( Y.Dalmas/E.Bernard/M.Alboreto, P.Alliot)

N.Hulkenburg
A.Markelov



Gerard Larousse took a big risk here. He knew he was taking a chance putting the fast but combative and sometimes wild Anton Markelov into one of his cars, so he was well aware he needed a steady, solid driver, who never mind F1, would be comfortable doing a double Le Mans stint. Nico Hukenburg is the perfect choice!


Coloni Ford (R.Moreno, P.H. Raphanel)


F.Massa
A.Albion



Coloni going with a fiery Brazilian with the distinctive Yellow and Blue helmet to lead the team. Alongside him, Albion a surprising choice good driver, but will his lack of experience tell?


Eurobrun Judd (G.Foitek/O.Laurruri)

N.Latiffi



Eurobrun just struggling to keep all the plates in the air, so when rich Swiss Latiffi called, they gladly took the cash!


Zaxspeed Yamaha (B.Schneider, A.Suzuki)

B Hartley
K Kobayashi



What a cool driver line up! Although they may not be the biggest names, two likeable drivers here. Just as home with a roof on his head, but focused for the present on F1, its Brendon Hartley. And joining him is a fantastic Japanese driver, the man who took the bar Nakajima had set and went higher....Kamui Kobayashi!


Rial Ford (C.Danner, V.Weidler)

M.Schumacher
S.Sirotkin


German team, German sponsorship. Rial know their great hope of becoming a big team in the future is tapping into the wealth and expertise in their home nation. It was a no brainier to, among a welter (Weidler?) of publicity to give Mick Schumacher his big break in F1......Sergy Sirotkin brings his experience and hard working attitude along as well.


AGS Ford (G.Tarquini, J.Winkelhock, Y.Dalmas)


G.Alesi
M.Ericsson



This team will be popular in Italy! Out of nowhere young Giluano Alesi gets the seat! Alongside Marcus Ericcsson brings experience, big cash and a liking for the blue and yellow colours on the car.


FIRST Judd (G.Tarquini, went bust before first race, did not compete)

D Valsecci



I feel really bad about this one. A likeable, sunny, smiling, quick Italian, thinks he has his big chance again, but it may not happen....
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Good choices, although I think it should be Massa rather than Villeneuve in at Lotus. Giovanazzi can easily slot in at Coloni
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Good choices, although I think it should be Massa rather than Villeneuve in at Lotus. Giovanazzi can easily slot in at Coloni
Ooohhhhh no I forgot about Giovanazzi - that was really silly! Yes Lotus was the one I ran wild with a bit - I know their line up is a bit 'unrealistic' but I couldn't resist the comparison with Piquet who seemed past it in 1989 (he recovered his mojo when on a dollars per points deal in 1990!)

The ironic thing is I think 'my' crop of drivers would play out a rather similiar season to the 'real' 1989 drivers - World War Three between Hamilton and Alonso for the title, with Riccardo pulling out a couple of crash bang wallop how did he pass him there victories for Ferrari.....possibly Williams would be a bit further up with Vettel?

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