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Old 2 Feb 2017, 01:07 (Ref:3708541)   #61
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Well aware of it. One is a brand protecting it's brand and not wanting to be associated with a team. The other was attempting to stop another team from racing them mid-race by threatening them. GM denied permission for the brand to be entered at Le Mans. Whether or not it had tyres doesn't matter at that point - the car wasn't allowed to race at Le Mans. GM are not the only company who have stopped people using their brand without permission - Rob Austin dropped his much loved Audi in BTCC for the same reason. Ferrari also strictly control who is allowed to run a GTE/GT3 car and what events they enter - hence the lack of Ferraris at the Ring. These are different to blackmailing a competitor during an event.

Oh, and using the same argument as posted here - that was a Corvette corporate decision, not Pratt and Miller.
Err.... that lawsuit had nothing to do with LM. It was purely based upon LG trying to get Michelin tires in GT2 when their Corvette was already faster. It was super shady.....just as terrible as Ford with Risi at LM.
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Old 2 Feb 2017, 02:46 (Ref:3708563)   #62
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I'm the one who posted the scan, that's not coming from the magazine but, instead, from Imola ELMS official programme, so it'd have been extracted by the FIA/ACO rules
That even makes it better! Not that I doubted it.

Now, given this, is GM going to build a mid-engined Corvette road car? WHY? They don't need to, not with these regulations : rotate:
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Old 2 Feb 2017, 04:37 (Ref:3708581)   #63
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There's only so far they can push that engine back in the current Vette. It's not quite that free like Super GT with a mid-engined RV8 Toyota Prius!
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Old 2 Feb 2017, 04:57 (Ref:3708584)   #64
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Err.... that lawsuit had nothing to do with LM. It was purely based upon LG trying to get Michelin tires in GT2 when their Corvette was already faster. It was super shady.....just as terrible as Ford with Risi at LM.
He tried to sue over both. The tire one looks reasonably ridiculous when you realize the Panoz, Aston Martins, Fords, BMWs, and Jaguars weren't running Michelin tires either.

It's particularly great that he brags about outqualifying the C6.Rs on the "much slower" Dunlop tires at PLM when Dunlop cars qualified 4 out of the top 5 positions.
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Err.... that lawsuit had nothing to do with LM. It was purely based upon LG trying to get Michelin tires in GT2 when their Corvette was already faster. It was super shady.....just as terrible as Ford with Risi at LM.
No offence, but when you tell me to look something up, that I already know, don't come back and tell me I was wrong. GM refused manufacturer approval to the ACO which meant the car couldn't go to Le Mans. This was part of the legal issues.
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Old 2 Feb 2017, 08:47 (Ref:3708633)   #66
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That even makes it better! Not that I doubted it.

Now, given this, is GM going to build a mid-engined Corvette road car? WHY? They don't need to, not with these regulations : rotate:
Don't know if it'd be possible, I assume that complete rules freeze some features, like wheelbase, for instance...production 911, being a 2+2, have room in front of the rear axle, with Corvette it shouldn't be enough. Pity that, probably, Evora doesn't reach the production limit, such a car with a longitudinally mounted engine should have potential!
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That even makes it better! Not that I doubted it.

Now, given this, is GM going to build a mid-engined Corvette road car? WHY? They don't need to, not with these regulations : rotate:
The regulations do not accept a front engined car becoming mid engined. There is still a rule that a front engine car must have it's engine in front of the car centerline and a rear engined car behind the centerline.

So that is why Porsche could move it's engine as it's still behind the car's centerline. Corvette already moves the engine behind the front axle to get it more in the middle, that is the same regulation allowing that.
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No offence, but when you tell me to look something up, that I already know, don't come back and tell me I was wrong. GM refused manufacturer approval to the ACO which meant the car couldn't go to Le Mans. This was part of the legal issues.
I was specifically talking about the tire only deal. No worries.
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Yeah, the reason the tyre issues happened had nothing to do with Corvette and Pratt and Miller being afraid of competition - it was because GM didn't want them using the Corvette brand. At Le Mans it was a simple process - tell the ACO they didn't have approval and with the ACO sporting regulations, they couldn't run. With ALMS it was harder because manufacturer approval isn't required to run the car. So the way GM went about it was force them to withdraw.

You could argue it was a dick move, and I do agree. But it is also GMs brand, and they can do what they want with their brand. BTCC had it with Rob Austin and Audi. But in this case, Pratt and Miller/Corvette/GM weren't trying to stop competition like Ford/CGR did.

But you're right it's a pretty dick move for a big corporation to been seen as picking on a private team.
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But you're right it's a pretty dick move for a big corporation to been seen as picking on a private team.
Pretty much killed their racing efforts too. Not that cost wouldn't have, but, there was good chance they'd have been able to sell some chsssis
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Just read on Motorsport.com that Pipo Derani has signed with Ford to contest three WEC races
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Old 2 Feb 2017, 20:43 (Ref:3708846)   #72
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The rules more or less specify that you can only independently homologate a car if there is no manufacturer homologation (thus Prodrive continuing to race 550s years after the factory introduced the 575), so the only way GM could have let the Riley Corvette be eligible outside of ALMS would have been to drop their own project entirely.
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Just read on Motorsport.com that Pipo Derani has signed with Ford to contest three WEC races

Just saw this too; I assume the allure of working with a major manufacturer is what lured him away from P2, alongside probably a pay raise as well, haha. It'll be exciting to see how he does
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I dislike this FIA homologation system.

If any builder make a car within the rules, it should be allowed to race.
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Just saw this too; I assume the allure of working with a major manufacturer is what lured him away from P2, alongside probably a pay raise as well, haha. It'll be exciting to see how he does
Manufacturers will always be more alluring than privateers. I wish Super GT500 was allowed in WEC season cause 3 more manufactures would be present and first tier drivers would be willing to join the WEC because of them.
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