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jab · 23 Feb 2010, 13:11 (Ref:2639014)

His peak may be above but how often does he hit that peak? As opposed to Webber who was the most consistent driver on the grid last year

Knowlesy · 23 Feb 2010, 13:12 (Ref:2639017)

The question with Raikkkonen is whether he'd try hard enough though. Clearly he is much faster than Webber ultimately, but that means little when you don't put in a shift. Which Kimi clearly didn't during 75% of his Ferrari career.

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Originally Posted by jab

His peak may be above but how often does he hit that peak? As opposed to Webber who was the most consistent driver on the grid last year

Really?

jab · 23 Feb 2010, 13:18 (Ref:2639025)

Yes, really. The only times he didn't score points, Japan excluded, or didn't achieve the maximum, weren't of his own making. The rest of the time, he got the most out of the car possible, which is something not even the champion can say

What is often overlooked is that Webber beat Vettel in more races than vice versa

Knowlesy · 23 Feb 2010, 13:42 (Ref:2639050)

Hmmmm...

Mr V · 23 Feb 2010, 14:42 (Ref:2639089)

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Originally Posted by jab

As opposed to Webber who was the most consistent driver on the grid last year

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Originally Posted by jab

What is often overlooked is that Webber beat Vettel in more races than vice versa

Please stop, your beginning to scare me now

Give me a driver who win's double the amount of races and scores more points than someone who is "consistant" any day

courageous · 23 Feb 2010, 14:49 (Ref:2639092)

do you want very very good all of the time, awesome most of the time, or perfect in every way some of the time?

There is no right answer.

ptclaus98 · 23 Feb 2010, 15:11 (Ref:2639102)

All this arguing about Raikkonen and Webber is pointless, because Kimi isn't coming back.

Jamesy-18 · 23 Feb 2010, 17:22 (Ref:2639194)

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Originally Posted by jab

What is often overlooked is that Webber beat Vettel in more races than vice versa

Except Vettel took Red Bull's first win and took more victories.

strider · 23 Feb 2010, 18:25 (Ref:2639233)

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Originally Posted by ptclaus98

All this arguing about Raikkonen and Webber is pointless, because Kimi isn't coming back.

Did he tell you so? That doesn't seem to be the view elsewhere.

jab · 23 Feb 2010, 19:14 (Ref:2639261)

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Originally Posted by Jamesy-18

Except Vettel took Red Bull's first win and took more victories.

More wins doesn't necessarily mean better. Vettel had more crashes as well

Knowlesy · 23 Feb 2010, 19:34 (Ref:2639274)

In other news: Coulthard was better than Hakkinen.

jab · 23 Feb 2010, 19:40 (Ref:2639278)

And Prost was better than Senna...oh wait, he was

herowassenna · 23 Feb 2010, 22:33 (Ref:2639372)

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Originally Posted by jab

And Prost was better than Senna...oh wait, he was

They do repeat prescriptions for medication my friend....lmao

herowassenna · 23 Feb 2010, 22:39 (Ref:2639376)

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Originally Posted by Javi

As much as I rate Webber, which I do, I think Raikkonen is in another step of peak performance. One may question his attitude sometimes, but he´s probably the fastest thing out there. Well, he was, pity he´s gone.

Totally over-rated, much the same as Hakkinen, gifted his 1st 2 wins and he out-qualified a demoralised Senna at Estoril 93, and Senna replied by winning the next two races. Yet his being milli seconds quicker meant he was supposedly the fastest.
Ferrari paid him off because he wasn't good enough, 2 races a year are not acceptable. Finally if he was that good, Mclaren would have signed him for 2010.

ECW Dan Selby · 23 Feb 2010, 22:41 (Ref:2639379)

Are you mad?

Selby

Fox89 · 23 Feb 2010, 22:55 (Ref:2639388)

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2 races a year are not acceptable. Finally if he was that good, Mclaren would have signed him for 2010.

AND he only won the WDC once!!

What a loser!

Super Hans · 23 Feb 2010, 23:08 (Ref:2639393)

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Originally Posted by herowassenna

They do repeat prescriptions for medication my friend....lmao

Please do not insult other members in this manner.

mac · 23 Feb 2010, 23:20 (Ref:2639397)

I'm sorry, but I feel Kimi falls into the over-rated category as well... or more specifically "hasn't really gone on to fulfill his stratospheric potential".

Kimi is his own man, and I completely respect him for that...

But come on... 18 wins and one world championship in a career that has almost exclusively been at the helm of a Ferrari or McLaren is not the record of a grand prix legend.

And he would have won that world championship much more comfortably had the first half of his season not been so ordinary.

He has developed this almost mythical reputation - as if he is on a level comparable to Schumacher and Alonso... And yes, when he can be bothered he sometimes is...

But let's face it - Massa did not really start to look any good until he had Raikkonen as his team mate.

As I've said, I greatly respect his personality and his immense talent - above all I am disappointed to be making these comments...

Though, I can actually see Red Bull signing Raikkonen over Webber - he has a much sexier sounding F1 name.

Javi · 23 Feb 2010, 23:28 (Ref:2639399)

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Originally Posted by mac

But come on... 18 wins and one world championship in a career that has almost exclusively been at the helm of a Ferrari or McLaren is not the record of a grand prix legend.

But let's face it - Massa did not really start to look any good until he had Raikkonen as his team mate.

.

When McLaren signed Kimi, Mclaren was not even a championship contender, Ferrari was sooo dominant. Kimi took the old MP417 to just one point of being champion. On 2005 he was fighting for it despite a car that could note get the best of michelin tyres as renault did, at least from the beginning...

By 2006, Massa was troubling the might of Schumacher sometimes...

Mixer · 23 Feb 2010, 23:54 (Ref:2639408)

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Originally Posted by Jamesy-18

Except Vettel took Red Bull's first win and took more victories.

Well you could argue that Vettel also took Red Bull's best chance for a first win away by shunting Webbo up the arse in Japan in the rain...

herowassenna · 24 Feb 2010, 00:50 (Ref:2639433)

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Originally Posted by Super Hans

Please do not insult other members in this manner.

It was said tongue pressed firmly in cheek... really, Prost better than Senna???

Regarding Kimi's WDC, I'm a Ferrari fan first and foremost, and I honestly believe that Mclaren had to give them the championship, although conspiracy theories aren't my forte.
As to my level of madness, I have been called worse...

Knowlesy · 24 Feb 2010, 01:10 (Ref:2639445)

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Originally Posted by herowassenna

It was said tongue pressed firmly in cheek... really, Prost better than Senna???

Prost was probably more complete.

Why not start a new thread so we can have a good old debate about it?

ptclaus98 · 24 Feb 2010, 15:15 (Ref:2639769)

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Originally Posted by strider

Did he tell you so? That doesn't seem to be the view elsewhere.

We had a convo over MSN.

Super Hans · 24 Feb 2010, 15:45 (Ref:2639779)

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Originally Posted by ptclaus98

We had a convo over MSN.

Ptclaus Just sent a nudge to Iceman1979
Iceman1979 No
Ptclaus What are you plans for 2011?
Iceman1979 Don't care
Iceman1979 has left the conversation

Jamesy-18 · 24 Feb 2010, 16:04 (Ref:2639791)

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Originally Posted by Super Hans

Ptclaus Just sent a nudge to Iceman1979
Iceman1979 No
Ptclaus What are you plans for 2011?
Iceman1979 Don't care
Iceman1979 has left the conversation

Lol!

I agree, Kimi is overated. Massa defeated him 2-1 IMO.

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