LMS Rnd 4: Donington 25-27 Aug 2006 - Page 8

**Bentley03** · 22 Aug 2006, 19:37 (Ref:1689018)

I'm surprised by the lack of enthusiasm being shown for the support races this weekend. The opening round of the Radical World Cup and the Classic Endurance Racing races seem appropriate to me, I'm thoroughly looking forward to both.

ger80 · 22 Aug 2006, 20:11 (Ref:1689055)

Please compare with the Nuerburgring support program.

ss_collins · 22 Aug 2006, 21:23 (Ref:1689118)

what would you like to see support LMS - Brit GT would have been good - Open saloons or DTRC (going overseas for them)

The Badger · 22 Aug 2006, 22:24 (Ref:1689162)

A round of the Group C championship ...... Porsche cup might be a nice idea ?

The Badger · 22 Aug 2006, 22:27 (Ref:1689165)

LMSR are reporting that ..... Moller and Keen for Lister . Kiesa has jumped ship to DTM .

Moller is saying that there is new mods

and a top 5 position is possible

Not a chance in hell ..... imo !!!

**Bentley03** · 23 Aug 2006, 05:30 (Ref:1689287)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ger80

Please compare with the Nuerburgring support program.

Erm...........Classic Formula Ford and Toyota Yaris Cup!

gwyllion · 23 Aug 2006, 06:51 (Ref:1689303)

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Badger

Moller is saying that there is new mods

and a top 5 position is possible

Not a chance in hell ..... imo !!!

Someone of depaddock.net forum emailed them and got this answer:

Quote:

We keep on working to improve the car and the front end has changed appearances - although the radiators have not moved to the sidepods. Windtunnel testing before Donington next weekend.

And a change of driver for this race.

We miss racing the GT Storm too but an FIA season is very expensive and the people who have the money all want to drive (or sponsor) Astons!

I really hope they went to the windtunnel to finally resolve the aero problems of the front.

**chunterer** · 23 Aug 2006, 07:59 (Ref:1689350)

Probably won't be able to go, but what an entry list, I had no idea the series was this serious!!

It's like a who's who of upcoming talent from the 80's and 90's!!

Only 6 GT1 cars but all of them have at least one ace in the line up!

And Bouchut in a GT2 Porsche? what's that all about then?

Nice to see guys like Kev McGarrity are still about in quick machinery,

isynge · 23 Aug 2006, 10:15 (Ref:1689419)

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Badger

Moller is saying that there is new mods

and a top 5 position is possible

Not a chance in hell ..... imo !!!

Okay, call me an optimist but inherently that car should be quicker than the ProTran and while it's nothing like as quick as the Chamberlain Lola I've still got a couple of questions about how sorted that car is (I suspect they haven't benefited from the same sort of development as Dyson has put into it), possibly allowing the Lister, over 1000km, to get somewhere.

If that can be achieved, and they stay reliable, then I can certainly see two of the Courages and one of the Creations hitting moderately serious trouble, and I generally operate on the principle that at some stage over a season one car will have an absolute horror of a race (Creation at Spa this year, Pescarolo at Silverstone last year for example) which in my eyes makes getting it to the top 5 (in class) just about feasible and a not unreasonable ambition.

At least they're not claiming it's going to win anything...

isynge · 23 Aug 2006, 10:15 (Ref:1689420)

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Badger

Moller is saying that there is new mods

and a top 5 position is possible

Not a chance in hell ..... imo !!!

Sorry - I appeared to double post - so deleted superfluous one...

The Badger · 23 Aug 2006, 15:03 (Ref:1689672)

Quote:

Originally Posted by isynge

Okay, call me an optimist but inherently that car should be quicker than the ProTran and while it's nothing like as quick as the Chamberlain Lola I've still got a couple of questions about how sorted that car is (I suspect they haven't benefited from the same sort of development as Dyson has put into it), possibly allowing the Lister, over 1000km, to get somewhere.

If that can be achieved, and they stay reliable, then I can certainly see two of the Courages and one of the Creations hitting moderately serious trouble, and I generally operate on the principle that at some stage over a season one car will have an absolute horror of a race (Creation at Spa this year, Pescarolo at Silverstone last year for example) which in my eyes makes getting it to the top 5 (in class) just about feasible and a not unreasonable ambition.

At least they're not claiming it's going to win anything...

Ah , but your forgeting about LMP2 and the GT1 teams , most of which are faster than the Lister .

The Badger · 23 Aug 2006, 15:05 (Ref:1689677)

Creation have Kevin McGarritty partnered with Minnassian . Hope they put them into the older tub , might be a more sorted chassis . Great line up

JAG · 23 Aug 2006, 16:35 (Ref:1689778)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Creation have Kevin McGarritty partnered with Minnassian . Hope they put them into the older tub , might be a more sorted chassis . Great line up

Creations boss was saying on DSC what a big commitment running two cars is, and how it's a neccessary step for the team and series.

By this I assume they WILL be racing in the LMS next season, even if the hybrids are snapped up for an ALMS campaign.

JAG · 23 Aug 2006, 21:37 (Ref:1690002)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.shtml?id=1653

Still looking OK.

At least it won't be bloody freezing!

Flat12-Aircool · 23 Aug 2006, 23:44 (Ref:1690046)

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Originally Posted by JAG

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.shtml?id=1653

Still looking OK.

At least it won't be bloody freezing!

There's a dirty great big black cloud with a rain symbol and you say that's ok?

gwyllion · 24 Aug 2006, 07:17 (Ref:1690133)

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Badger

Creation have Kevin McGarritty partnered with Minnassian. Hope they put them into the older tub, might be a more sorted chassis. Great line up.

Tomas Serwin had other family commitments, but he could race for Creation in the future.
source: http://www.the-paddock.net/content/view/240521/49/

Kevin McGarritty was supposed to drive for Protan. Does his move to Creation change anything for them?

isynge · 24 Aug 2006, 08:37 (Ref:1690170)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Ah , but your forgeting about LMP2 and the GT1 teams , most of which are faster than the Lister .

Indeed - hence my caveat of "in class"... Looking at LMP2 actually raises some interesting questions, an interview with Nic Minassian on Endurance-Info indicated that he reckoned an LMP2, with a bit of luck, could pull a surprise result off at Donington and win the thing outright. I'd be very surprised (and not necessarily in a pleasant way) but can see where he's coming from.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gwyllion

Tomas Serwin had other family commitments, but he could race for Creation in the future.

Reading the DSC article on Creation's plans they were very positive about Serwin and the language made it sound as though he would certainly be driving for them later in the year in the ALMS.

Graham Goodwin · 24 Aug 2006, 08:52 (Ref:1690179)

Phil Bennett will race the ProTran

tux · 24 Aug 2006, 09:34 (Ref:1690204)

are there any pratice/test sessions on friday?

BG76 · 24 Aug 2006, 12:01 (Ref:1690284)

Don't think so Tux, not according to the timetable on the LMS website.

tux · 24 Aug 2006, 16:41 (Ref:1690825)

the cer entry list http://www.classic-endurance-racing....sDONINGTON.pdf

minimangler · 24 Aug 2006, 18:24 (Ref:1690899)

what is it about britain that turns classic racers off?
every other round of this 'CER' looks like a superb entry list, and we get a 917, a t70 and a ligier as star bills
its rather weak really.
are they still recovering from silverstone classic?
or are there any at gold cup?

canam · 24 Aug 2006, 18:49 (Ref:1690924)

I think it is because of the time of year--holidays.

The previous two years were the same. Low grids in the UK race but better grids elsewhere.

minimangler · 24 Aug 2006, 21:28 (Ref:1691066)

doesn't stop it being crap for us though, does it?
if you own a car like that, surely it is a duty to show it off?

canam · 25 Aug 2006, 06:08 (Ref:1691192)

The other problem is that the mix of machinery spans a pretty wide period and some prefer(and are allowed to) to run their cars more 'historic' than others. At Le Mans Classic recently, virtually all the T70 Lolas, 917s and many of the Chevrons ran on slicks (which they may or may not have run in period). Others, however, (including the Minassian/Jankowski Ligier ran on historic treaded tyres which it did run in period). Around Donington, the difference between slicks and treaded tyres will be substantial and those preferring to remain historically correct will be at a disadvantage as soon as they get on the track. This also may be a reason for lowish grid sizes overall at other tracks--although considerably better than the British rounds.

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