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Old 27 Feb 2008, 12:58 (Ref:2139191)   #1
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Safety discussion

Having followed the discussions after the deadly crash in Australia last weekend, I wondered what the chances of such an accident are in the different European TC's. And, if there is such a chance, what can and should we do about it?
The crasch in Australia happenen on the streetcircuit of Adelaide, where the unfortunate driver hit an unprotected concrete wall with about 200kp/h. A place where such an accident might happen is Porto. Blazingly fast at some parts, with the ideal line literally against a wall or an armco.
Another thing to make a car safer is to put the driver in the middle. Will this be possible and desirable in a car that should resemble the cars in our streets?
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Old 27 Feb 2008, 13:20 (Ref:2139222)   #2
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Move the driver more to the middle, like they do in DTM, and add a energy absorbing crashbox between the driver and the door. That should be enough, and as long as the cars are based on roadcars like they are now I don't see it as a problem.
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Old 27 Feb 2008, 15:53 (Ref:2139346)   #3
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Another thing to make a car safer is to put the driver in the middle.
Considering he hit the wall on the left side and the drivers down under sit on the right side... I'm not sure that will really help at all. In this case he would even sit closer to the wall he inpacted.

What would help is to not place unprotected concrete walls right next to high speed corners... but I thought that was already non exsistant... apparently driver safty aint too high of a prority in Australia...
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Old 27 Feb 2008, 16:05 (Ref:2139358)   #4
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I agree that that wall ver there should at least be of the kind you see on ovals in the USA, witch absorb some energy. It would make the corner dangerous instead of very dangerous...
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Old 27 Feb 2008, 19:50 (Ref:2139549)   #5
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What you saw in Australia that the car didn't absorb the energy enough. You could see that the side was flat, it deformed untill the rollcage and then the rollcage did its work too well. All that energy went into the drivers body, causing massive internal trauma. Same happened to Kristensen at the DTM, only he was lucky to be alive.

The cars are maybe too safe, as in that they are too strong. With a car that doesn't deform, that energy becomes leathal inside the body of the driver. And thats where the new danger lives I think.
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Old 27 Feb 2008, 20:15 (Ref:2139561)   #6
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Indeed, in this type of accident a normal road car would likely be much safer. But that race cars have roll cages arn't exactly news, so "clean" concrete walls lining the outside of high speed corners arnt too smart...
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I guess S-2000 cars are a bit slower, what makes them safer as well.
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Some things depend on track - in slow left hairpin brake's malfunction can cause terrible effect. Remember Norisring with it's two hairpins, where we can see accident's every year. I think, decision may be in bending this corners, in order to make car with brake's malfunction end it's way in wall with absorbing element, not to fly along corner, kicking out other cars
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I guess S-2000 cars are a bit slower, what makes them safer as well.
A bit slower is an understatement, lol.
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Was the driver wearing a HANS device at the time of the crash?
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Was the driver wearing a HANS device at the time of the crash?
It was reported that part of his seatbelt/seat mounts broke.
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Hans has set itself as a safetyequipment as nescessary as seatbelts. It's a wonderfull device that increases the chances of survival in head-on collisions a lot. Since Hans is compulsory in most classes, from F1 to clubraces, i'm sure it is too in V8's.
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Yes, HANS is compulsory in V8SC as well.
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It was reported that part of his seatbelt/seat mounts broke.
Quoted from Autosport.com: Wayne Cattach, Boss of Supercar V8 "We've had a look at the footage and it appears that his car may have clipped the guard rail on entry to the corner," said Cattach. "There's nothing we can find to indicate any failure of the seat, HANS, straps, or roll cage."
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Crack an egg carefully into a tall glass and then shake vigorously...

That's part of the problem of extremely stiff crash protection... the softest part of the car is the contents...
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