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Old 28 Nov 2009, 00:03 (Ref:2590495)   #16
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I just gave an opinion am not looking to blacken anyones character. I think both Scott and Rory are good drivers and both deserved to win the championship. It was my opinion from what seen and heard that day, that at most it was a racing incident that is it. It was not a good way to end championship for either driver or sport again just my opinion which I know you wont like but is all I am going to post about it. I would just like to point out that I know both car and engine were not ones he ran all year but as you have now informed me that it was off team spare engine the faulty part came from. I just find it hard to believe that at some point the spare engine was not needed. And I know if or when it was ran it was put in and run in good faith but at end of day in this sport at club level it is driver who ends carrying blame for mistakes made by others. I know this does not reflect on Scott as person but unfortunately it was him that got excluded or that is what results show. Again not interested in stirring **** just gave my opinion as ff1600 fan. I want to be able to watch close ff1600 racing for next many years which is why I go in first place.
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Old 28 Nov 2009, 00:32 (Ref:2590513)   #17
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I just gave an opinion am not looking to blacken anyones character. I think both Scott and Rory are good drivers and both deserved to win the championship. It was my opinion from what seen and heard that day, that at most it was a racing incident that is it. It was not a good way to end championship for either driver or sport again just my opinion which I know you wont like but is all I am going to post about it. I would just like to point out that I know both car and engine were not ones he ran all year but as you have now informed me that it was off team spare engine the faulty part came from. I just find it hard to believe that at some point the spare engine was not needed. And I know if or when it was ran it was put in and run in good faith but at end of day in this sport at club level it is driver who ends carrying blame for mistakes made by others. I know this does not reflect on Scott as person but unfortunately it was him that got excluded or that is what results show. Again not interested in stirring **** just gave my opinion as ff1600 fan. I want to be able to watch close ff1600 racing for next many years which is why I go in first place.
Well Sammy C if you were at Mondello that weekend you will have seen that Scott comfortably beat Rory in Race one on Saturday. You will also know and its NOT just my opinion that Rory has had by far the best engine in the class all year. This probably isn't the appropriate thread to discuss this & there is another one on here that does. But a lot of people including one or two journalists have tried to instigate a war between Scott and Rory which isn't appropriate. They were track rivals; nothing more. In fact Scott, in his 1st year of car racing remember, was very pleased to have someone of Rory's calibre to compete against and would much rather have lost the championship "fairly" on the track than had to battle for it in a court room. But the fact of the matter is that Rory did twice drive into Scott; both times when Scott held the lead. And in that 2nd race at Mondello Scott's subsequent retirement was caused as a direct result of the damage sustained when Rory drove into him and the evidence was produced to prove it.

Whether either incident was an intentional act by Rory only he truly knows. I actually prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt. But in both cases it was bad driving and that's why for both incidents he was punished.

When Rory won the Festival I was one of the first people to shake hands with him as both I and Scott have done many times this year. We wish him no malice and as I said after the hearing concluded "I hope both drivers can now put this behind them and get on with their promising careers"...I'd like to think this will be an end now to all the sniping and derogatory remarks but I guess that's hoping for a bit too much!

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Old 28 Nov 2009, 00:41 (Ref:2590518)   #18
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With regard to the championship Rory had taken Scott off at the race previous and got punished for it, are you telling me that a driver any driver should be able to keep taking his rival off all the time and go on and win a championship ?? With regard to that spare engine it had a full rebuild including a block and was only ever used for testing as it was giving alot of problems ! So no it was never raced but it was given back by the engine builder before the Festival saying it was perfect to use now !!
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Old 28 Nov 2009, 07:16 (Ref:2590607)   #19
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I heard a guy once asked driftwood what he thought about engine checks. His reply:

"Fine by me, so long as they clear the bank".
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Old 28 Nov 2009, 08:42 (Ref:2590621)   #20
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Press Release – Saturday, 28th November2009


From Scott Malvern
Regarding 2009 FF1600 Formula Ford Festival

I am naturally very disappointed to have my 2nd place taken away from me in the Kent Formula Ford Festival Final but I am in complete agreement with the reason for it happening.

The carburettor on the Ray GR06 car that I was driving developed a fault and needed to be replaced. It was replaced by the Team for a carburettor from a spare engine that had recently been rebuilt. At no previous time during 2009 have I used that spare engine or carburettor. Everyone knows that I only put a deal together at the last minute for the Festival and because of that I was in an unfamiliar car hired for me by Cliff Dempsey. The carburettor was actually tested for legality at the event and passed.

After the Festival Final the engine and carburettor was sealed and the same car, engine and carburettor was used two weeks later at the Sir Walter Hayes Trophy by Patrick McKenna.

Both the team, Cliff Dempsey Racing and the supplier of the carburettor Stephen Patton have apologised to me unreservedly, and without prejudice, over this regrettable incident. They have both assured me that this was a genuine mistake. I am satisfied with their explanations and now want that to be an end to the matter. Engine supplier Neil Bold is blameless in this issue.

I don’t want this one unfortunate incident to tarnish what has been a brilliant effort by all concerned for my first season in car racing. I now just wish to focus on 2010 and securing a drive in Duratec Formula Ford and further prove my ability in the MSA British Championship.


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Old 28 Nov 2009, 10:14 (Ref:2590650)   #21
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When Kris Meeke won the Scottish Rally a few days ago having already stitched up the IRC Championship at the previous round his car subsequently failed post event scrutineering with an issue with the subframe.

Although he was rightly removed from the results, I have yet to hear of any accusations that Kris Meeke is a cheat or an unworthy champion.

In my opinion the lessons to be learned from the discussions of the last day are that:

1) Genuine mistakes can happen in all Formulae and at all levels.

2) Formula Ford Kent engines are now so antiquated and good parts so difficult to obtain (even through a "top engine builder") that ensuring performance equality is nigh on impossible. The only way would be by increasing random checks throughout the season which I doubt would be feasible financially for the club. Even then the sparsity of AX blocks and top quality components means there will always be some engines more powerful than others but built to the same rules.

If there is a need for a junior FF series feeding to the MSA championship with modern ecu controlled engines, as opposed to enthusiasts racing Kents, then the sooner it is announced the better.
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Old 28 Nov 2009, 10:25 (Ref:2590656)   #22
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Thanks for the update on engine. As I said in begining I would have been surprized if a team had not used its spare engine during year but as you explained you had only recived it back from full rebuild and are at mercy of engine builders. Mistakes do happen. I agree to that Rory Butcher has a strong engine but this is always been the way in formula ford some engines are better then others.There is always engines out there that are better than others, ed moore, gavin wills all the top drivers in formula ford have had them and all have been sealed and passed through their dominent seasons.Is there any word on the other two engines that were sealed that weekend. Was good to see engines sealed as it used to be standard that top three in festival were sealed back in it day.

With regard national championship I think two boys had great year racing very close all year with very little seperating them. I think when you have two drivers this close there is always going to be incidents. It has been like this for years, the fifth place battle in the festival final is good example of this. I dont think there was any intentional incidents between the two from knockhill on it was just close racing and a tight fight for a championship that both deserved. If the racing was not this tight it would not be formula ford.
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Old 28 Nov 2009, 12:02 (Ref:2590721)   #23
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OK guys, some have you have rightly spotted that previous threads on this topic have been removed. I think that everyone in this thread has now clarified any previous comments - so hopefully everyone's now happy with each other. I'm also sure that this topic needs to be discussed.

But, it's worth a very timely reminder:
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  • If you disagree with something, don't get into a silly argument online with them. You will disagree with things - it's a discussion forum, but take your time to think up a reasoned response.
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Old 28 Nov 2009, 12:28 (Ref:2590734)   #24
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I think all that needed to be said has been said and it is time to move on !!
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Old 28 Nov 2009, 12:38 (Ref:2590741)   #25
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I think all that needed to be said has been said and it is time to move on !!
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Old 28 Nov 2009, 15:11 (Ref:2590806)   #26
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I think all that needed to be said has been said and it is time to move on !!
I hope so too! Racing is for the racetrack
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I had a chat with rory last night and his engine was stripped and found to be ok. Mine will be checked next week!
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Old 28 Nov 2009, 19:16 (Ref:2590896)   #28
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I had a chat with rory last night and his engine was stripped and found to be ok. Mine will be checked next week!
Good luck to you with that Neville. We certainly don't begrudge you 2nd place at the Festival after many years of bad luck. It was a pleasure to race with you there.

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Old 30 Nov 2009, 21:52 (Ref:2591950)   #29
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Anybody no the final outcome with kris meeke? I heard that the subframe was 100grms under weight but when measured on two other scales it was over the minimum. By all accounts, the overall car was over the weight anyway.
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Old 30 Nov 2009, 23:02 (Ref:2591993)   #30
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actually results are provisional, pending technical checks ...checked 3 times?? is there not a calibrated scales?
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