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Old 25 Aug 2021, 08:32 (Ref:4070273)   #526
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In some earlier stories they had mentioned full duel programs, just like Ganassi did with the Ford GT.

2 or 3 weeks ago I read about doube full season WEC and IMSA, with WEC program made by a ganassi+dallara joint effort, similiar to what was WEC ford gt program with multimatic tasked of WEC program despite running under ganassi UK team name. Anyway if they will change engine, I think the most logical choice would be the 3.6L V6 turbo used in the cadillac gt3, unless they will are going to do a bespoke engine, which I think could be a gray zone of regulamentation as happens now with AER engine of mazda dpi that basically shares almost nothing with the original street derivated mzr design.
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Old 25 Aug 2021, 12:07 (Ref:4070305)   #527
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I think they ran one in the 2000 race. I have a vague memory of it catching fire after a few laps.
I believe a forum member bought that car, but haven't seen any updates for 4 years on his car in his office

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Old 25 Aug 2021, 12:45 (Ref:4070313)   #528
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Do DPi regulations actually require a production-based engine or just an engine by the OEM brand? Do we know the rule is unchanged for LMDh?

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Or maybe 3 entries requests will be filed, who knows at this stage, it's really early days when it comes to the 2023 entry list. Guessing 62 entries again, when is the new pit building planned to be built? And what was WEC's self-imposed entry limit again?
I don't expect ACO turning down any legit LMDh entries in 2023 as not that many privateers will be able to get hold of LMDh chassis yet. The factor limiting (or not) Cadillac's presence at Le Mans will be budget.
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Old 25 Aug 2021, 15:38 (Ref:4070354)   #529
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Answer to the first question, simply go to IMSA's website and click on the Technical regulations under engines and you will find your answer.
I am used to this, as most others are. It's called research.
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Old 25 Aug 2021, 18:20 (Ref:4070387)   #531
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Answer to the first question, simply go to IMSA's website and click on the Technical regulations under engines and you will find your answer.
I am used to this, as most others are. It's called research.
Done. DPi regulations do not even mention the word "production" in relation to engines.
https://www.imsa.com/wp-content/uplo...E-04232021.pdf

Hence the whole discussion is academic.

PS: a simple "No" answer would suffice though. Finding regs on the IMSA site required navigating through a maze of poorly worded submenus within submenus.
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Old 30 Aug 2021, 08:52 (Ref:4071142)   #532
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Far be it from me to put a downer on the positivity thread - but interesting to hear GG on TWISC say a couple of times - "there will be programmes that we think today are happening that will not happen."

He did caveat that with saying that on the flipside there will be others we don't know about that will happen.

But would be interesting to know what has possibly hit the rails. Maybe certain programmes will begin to be talked about less?
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Okay - didn't take long to find out one such piece of news.

No Audi works programme in IMSA. WEC remains, as does the chance of customer team(s) in IMSA. To be honest I'd thought it was going to be customer-focused racing anyway.

https://racer.com/2021/08/30/audi-dr...-lmdh-program/
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Audi Sport have allegedly signed Fillipe Nasr for the WEC/LM programs per Pruett's article at Racer.


Though Marshall didn't go into details, he does seem to suspect that there's still a schism when it comes to funding for regional programs between Audi AG/Audi Sport in Germany and Audi of America when it comes to IMSA programs. Such a thing basically killed Audi's ALMS program as a full time effort after 2008.


However, as pointed out, this applies to IMSA and not the WEC/LM24, which is still confirmed. Does make me wonder that if Audi Sport gets a customer team or two in IMSA if they'll do LM, though.
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On a related thought, does anyone see Toyota expanding their LMH program beyond the WEC since LMH cars will be legal to run in IMSA beyond 2022? My opinion is that'll only happen, one, as a full privateer effort (upon Toyota or someone else paying the $1 million USD marketing fee (or bribe as others have called it)), two, if Toyota are allowed to rebrand the GR010 as a Lexus, or if TRD USA adopt the Gazoo Racing brand as part of their identity or Toyota Motor Corporation/Toyota Racing worldwide adopt the Gazoo Racing branding, which in NA to an extent already is happening with the GR Supra being sold in NA and the GR Supra GT4 running in the IMSA Michelin Challenge series and NA SRO racing.
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I don't think toyota will ever let anyone but TMG to use gr010... there is too much confidential technology in the hybrid system that I don't think toyota is going to share with anyone else.
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Audi Sport have allegedly signed Fillipe Nasr for the WEC/LM programs per Pruett's article at Racer.


Though Marshall didn't go into details, he does seem to suspect that there's still a schism when it comes to funding for regional programs between Audi AG/Audi Sport in Germany and Audi of America when it comes to IMSA programs. Such a thing basically killed Audi's ALMS program as a full time effort after 2008.


However, as pointed out, this applies to IMSA and not the WEC/LM24, which is still confirmed. Does make me wonder that if Audi Sport gets a customer team or two in IMSA if they'll do LM, though.

Quite disappointing if audi AG can't find some budget to give to audi of america, considering how cheap a lmdh program should be compared to LMH. Most of all if it's a regional championship like IMSA without intercontinental travels.
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On a related thought, does anyone see Toyota expanding their LMH program beyond the WEC since LMH cars will be legal to run in IMSA beyond 2022? My opinion is that'll only happen, one, as a full privateer effort (upon Toyota or someone else paying the $1 million USD marketing fee (or bribe as others have called it)), two, if Toyota are allowed to rebrand the GR010 as a Lexus, or if TRD USA adopt the Gazoo Racing brand as part of their identity or Toyota Motor Corporation/Toyota Racing worldwide adopt the Gazoo Racing branding, which in NA to an extent already is happening with the GR Supra being sold in NA and the GR Supra GT4 running in the IMSA Michelin Challenge series and NA SRO racing.
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I don't think toyota will ever let anyone but TMG to use gr010... there is too much confidential technology in the hybrid system that I don't think toyota is going to share with anyone else.
Regarding customer Toyotas, Vasselon recently said something to the tune of, "we're looking at the possibility of customers cars, but not as many customer cars as some other manufacturers are planning to have". This is not verbatim, but very close. He didn't mention whether this was about WEC or IMSA.
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Okay - didn't take long to find out one such piece of news.

No Audi works programme in IMSA. WEC remains, as does the chance of customer team(s) in IMSA. To be honest I'd thought it was going to be customer-focused racing anyway.

https://racer.com/2021/08/30/audi-dr...-lmdh-program/
Reading between the lines - I see it, like you, that maybe they are leaving IMSA to the privateer entrants which begs the question as to who may have invested enough in a programme to make Audi come to this decision?

Customer racing is surely the big attractions for the Manufacturers will be customer racing as it makes it a potential profit centre - or at least reduces the nett costs
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Reading between the lines - I see it, like you, that maybe they are leaving IMSA to the privateer entrants which begs the question as to who may have invested enough in a programme to make Audi come to this decision?

Customer racing is surely the big attractions for the Manufacturers will be customer racing as it makes it a potential profit centre - or at least reduces the nett costs

I think that manufacturers have more this kind of philosophy about customer racing: private teams pay to race, if they win... we share the glory.
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