Clarke thrashes Thruxton opposition - Page 4

Dan Friel · 24 Sep 2002, 19:13 (Ref:387501)

I'll be looking forward to Castle Combe on the 5th.. press releases are all about hype.. and you need plenty of that in this business I guess. But its the driving that counts in the end and if you're winning championships - then no-one can argue with that.

And surely you have to be at least a little arrogant in motor sport??

danielclarke · 24 Sep 2002, 19:19 (Ref:387506)

Too right Dan! These cars alone cost thousands. And the time and effort put into it all by mechanics, managers and sposnors adds to the maounting pressure. You've got to be confident in what you're doing!

Right again, you've got to do the business out on the track too if your press releases are full of hype. Enough journalists build hype on drivers just off the back of their previous results and they often don't know what goes on in the background, behind the scenes.

Daniel
http://www.DanielRacing.com

Dan Friel · 24 Sep 2002, 19:31 (Ref:387512)

See you at Combe then.. I'll be marshalling somewhere out there, so be sure not to crash with us!!

Have a good race, it should be an interesting day.

(If anyones near Combe on the 19th October, I'll be competing in a sprint and you'll be able to watch a truely talented driver at work.. arrogance, Pah!)

danielclarke · 24 Sep 2002, 19:37 (Ref:387516)

19th is the FFord Festival Dan

Daniel
http://www.DanielRacing.com

Fred · 9 Oct 2002, 22:38 (Ref:399780)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by danielclarke
[B]What you saying Bobajob? That despite Autosport and Motorsport News' claims that the Junior championship is as tough as the seniors, if not more so, are wrong? Are you slating all my competitors now?

I know there are lies, damned lies and statistics ? But in the 12 races of the series how did you do ? The bloke who won, Ben Clucas (?), got 10 podiums and on the other two, his engine stopped ( Snetterton ), and somebody bent his suspension whilst trying to introduce him to the gravel trap ( Brands ) which didn't stop him being with 0.1 second of fastest lap on the day...

Did he make the same sort of song and dance after each of his six victories or is it a case of empty vessels and loud noises ?

Fierce Shunt · 10 Oct 2002, 12:44 (Ref:400233)

I would like to apologise to Daniel. After such a good victory at Thruxton I believed that it would be inpossible for him to improve on his performance, however, I was proved wrong. I should not have doubted him..
Qualifying 15th and trying to ovetake most of the field in one corner causing him to crash into the side of another competitor has got to mark him out to be a future F1 champion surely. Come on guys, stop giving him such a hard time and lets support our home grown talent!!

I hope you didnt damage your fingers too badly in the accident and so should be able to post your press release on here soon.

Fierce Shunt · 10 Oct 2002, 13:01 (Ref:400258)

Here is a quote by Mr. Ian, Daniel Clarkes PR man, Sowman from the Hamilton thread -

Quote:

I'm not yet convinced about Hamilton, but well done to him for his win at Donington. And I thought the copy in the original post was a bit over the top... "masterful", "scintillating, "dominant"... why do people write stuff like that!

Why Mr Sowman? Why indeed?

Ian Sowman · 10 Oct 2002, 14:12 (Ref:400332)

Irony, Fierce, irony.

Ian Sowman · 10 Oct 2002, 14:22 (Ref:400339)

Oh, and seeing as you're so keen to read about what happened at Combe, the release is on Danielracing.com.

As for Ben Clucas not making a song and dance about his victories, which he'd be perfectly entitled to do, is that really anything to do with Daniel? It's down to Ben who has chosen not to post to the forum, or maybe isn't aware that it exists. Just because the drivers that do choose to interact with the public via this medium may not have been champions this year is no need to slate them at every opportunity...

Russfeld · 10 Oct 2002, 14:40 (Ref:400357)

It is when the topic seems to be his PR and not his results. You arent doing a very good job of making Daniel look well in racing circles.

Ian Sowman · 10 Oct 2002, 15:18 (Ref:400391)

Russfeld,

First, I do more or less as Daniel asks me to (ie the releases are to his specification; I personally would do them slightly differently).

Second, I'm not really sure what you mean by the topic being his PR and not his results. His PR is *about* his results. I'd be interested to find out exactly what you mean.

I don't want this to be a Daniel-specific discussion; I want to find out when people think it is valid to use PR and how best to do it.

Russfeld · 10 Oct 2002, 16:03 (Ref:400441)

What I mean is the nature of these discussions. The emphasis is on his PR and how they disproportionately refelct the results. Clearly if he was as good as the image is trying to portray, there wouldnt be the backlash. Courtney had a lot of PR this year, but he also backed it up. He fell ultimately short of what was expected, but he still achieved a lot. This is not the mainstream public who needs to be informed about up and coming stars. We know who's out there, we know the situations, and we are following the junior formulae closely. If Daniel's that good, we'd be talking about him anyways.

Ian Sowman · 10 Oct 2002, 16:20 (Ref:400448)

Okay, but it's neither Daniel or myself that has started these discussions (okay, Daniel has posted the release but has taken someone else to make the first comment).

The releases we used to put on here (we're not going to bother any longer, because we *have* learnt) were the same as appeared on his website, which you would expect to be rather partisan, appealing as it does to people who are already keen followers of the sport as well as 'newbies'. They're also identical to the releases that went out various media outlets, specifically local press in Daniel's area.

What I can glean, then, is that if the releases had been more tailored to the forum, maybe more informative rather than trumpet-blowing, they would have been better received.

Thanks for taking the time to reply Russfeld - it's appreciated.

woodyracing · 10 Oct 2002, 16:44 (Ref:400463)

I've been following this thread since the beginning and having just read the realese again, it doesn't sound too bad. I think maybe the problem was that he posted it himself ??
I wouldnt dream of posting something like that about myself, but then again Im not a rising star in a high profile series

best of luck to Daniel anyway.

Ian Sowman · 10 Oct 2002, 18:14 (Ref:400541)

Could be Woody, although it did have my name on the bottom and it was written in the third person! I did ask people on here which bits they specifically objected to but no-one replied; indeed, the person I addressed the question to hasn't been seen here since after making 50 postings in three days. Very odd.

Novice · 10 Oct 2002, 19:08 (Ref:400575)

If it gets Daniel noticed by other teams, sponsors then fair play to him. I know some very promising drivers whose careers could come to an end if they cannot get sponsorship for next season. Look at Ayrton Senna, he nearly gave up due to lack of funds.

Come on Daniel back up the PR with some more victories.

Fred · 10 Oct 2002, 19:52 (Ref:400600)

As for Ben Clucas not making a song and dance about his victories, which he'd be perfectly entitled to do, is that really anything to do with Daniel? It's down to Ben who has chosen not to post to the forum, or maybe isn't aware that it exists. Just because the drivers that do choose to interact with the public via this medium may not have been champions this year is no need to slate them at every opportunity... [/B][/QUOTE]

I don't recall slating anyone and the parallel I made was in connection with noise generated in relation to the success achieved. Surely the essence of good PR is to address it specifically to the medium used ? The best PR is that which gets the point over without trying to ram it down your throat.

It is right that he ( DC ) should feel proud of his achievements but perhaps perspective only comes with maturity ? and that comes from the person not their age.

Fred

Sato san · 10 Oct 2002, 20:14 (Ref:400622)

I think some people just dontlike someone talking themself up alot....I understand Ian writes his pres releases , and i dont see anything wrong with it...

As ive said before , if he was a no hoper then people would have a point and it would look silly , but he's doing alright , winning races etc , he just needs to keep the momentum going .

so whats the problem ....i always read the email press release that they send me , yes , it is very Pro daniel , but it would be wouldnt it . I dont realy see what he probem is .

what the plan for next year Daniel?....

Ian Sowman · 10 Oct 2002, 22:41 (Ref:400735)

Fred

I didn't mean to imply that you personally had done any slating, and I'm sorry if I gave that impression. Other people do just seem to be on here to have a go sometime, however. I agree with your points, by the way - I wouldn't personally have posted the releases on here, but I do defend Daniel's right to.

JR Ewing · 11 Oct 2002, 12:31 (Ref:401095)

Quote:

Originally posted by Novice
Look at Ayrton Senna, he nearly gave up due to lack of funds.

Hello? Is that some sort of joke or what?
Senna's family were rather rich at that stage, a bit like 'Jungle Boy' who's family are multi-millionaires in a country where that average net worth is about £2.50!!

Sato san · 11 Oct 2002, 16:52 (Ref:401242)

Yes , but Aryton's father did refuse at one point to fund his sons racing career any futher .

Mr Jinxx · 11 Oct 2002, 23:41 (Ref:401553)

Senna did indeed have financial problems and returned to Brazil. Dennis Rushen (you will see him around the FRenault paddock and F3) who ran the very succesful FFord2000 Rushen Green racing team, brought Senna back to England and ran him for a couple of years. Predictably, Senna did pretty good, won the championship. Dennis reckons it was all due to his engineering.

Sato san · 12 Oct 2002, 02:59 (Ref:401661)

Is Dennis Rushen stil chairman of the BARC ?

Fierce Shunt · 12 Oct 2002, 15:44 (Ref:402071)

Never was, its Dennis Carter

Sato san · 12 Oct 2002, 15:54 (Ref:402077)

o yes......my mistake !....just put my confused head on again !

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