[VASC17R5R6] WD40 SuperSprint, Phillip Island: 21-23 Apr

[simon5574]

time certain finishes are p33ing me off more than exploding tyres and dotted lines.
its crap

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[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Ospi

I saw another 3 cars in the background of one of the later stops doing the same thing. So it appears quite a few cars have escaped a penalty.

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Why was there no witches hat at the beginning of the broken line?

[anthony81901]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Why was there no witches hat at the beginning of the broken line?

Exactly, would have avoided any confusion. Just a rank amateur decision by the stewards, penalising drivers for their own ineptitude. Am I correct in thinking that the garages at the beginning of the pit lane were empty anyway, so not really a safety concern?

Presumably the psi minimum and maximum camber angle will be changed for tomorrow to avoid the tyre problems.

[GTRMagic]

R5 Press Conference

Mr Coulthard doesn't seem to be comfortable in these conferences.
Smarty bum responses don't forward the commercial game of the team or their partners.

And Mr Tander was logical.. asking how the tyre was signed off without a PI test..

[GTRMagic]

Supercar Commission To Meet About Tyres

The only options on the table are minimum tyre pressures and maximum camber angles aren't they. Won't fix a construction issue, if that's the basis of the problem.

[PS2244]

Cams got their asses put on blast by Roland gee wiz

[one five five]

Originally Posted by LD2244

Cams got their asses put on blast by Roland gee wiz

Do CAMS make the rules, or just enforce the regulations given to them by Supercars?

[PS2244]

Originally Posted by one five five

Do CAMS make the rules, or just enforce the regulations given to them by Supercars?

It's the way they enforce it is abysmal

[Ospi]

Reading on the supercars website that tjey only stipulate a minimum pressure and not a maximum camber. Very surprised about that given the nature of the car and the amount of camber they run as a result.

With that in mind you can't really blame the teams for the failures if they're given no guidelines on how far they can safely push a tyre and you certainly can't let them find out via failures...

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[one five five]

Originally Posted by LD2244

It's the way they enforce it is abysmal

What, it was abysmal that they enforced a rule when they were shown footage of cars breaking the rule?

[Backagain]

I used to be really p***ed off by the sellout to Foxtel. Now, I think they are actually doing us a favour, there is no longer any need to watch the telecast as the so called "racing" is totally irrelevant, the result is no longer decided by who crosses the line first, it is all fabricated by "race control" (these days the name says it all). We may as well give the "highlights" a miss as well, just get up the morning after and read the constructed results, has NOTHING to do with what we used to call RACING.
What an absolute disaster you have created Mr. Warburton!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A race is decided by a few dotted lines and a bunch of unproven dodgy tyres.

Anyway thanks for all the free time this weekend, instead of watching the V8's (not the "Supercars") which I used to love, I got a lot done around the farm, watched the highlights for a short time, then switched over to Netflix, won't be bothering with the "highlights" tomorrow, just read the results Monday once they have finished manufacturing them.

[chavez]

Originally Posted by one five five

What, it was abysmal that they enforced a rule when they were shown footage of cars breaking the rule?

They should be proactive and investigate and not hand out penalties because the infringement shows up on TV.

Remember the old spinning the wheels during a pit stop - only on one occasion was a penalty handed out that didn't first air on TV.

[chavez]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

This one?

Bingo.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Ospi

Reading on the supercars website that tjey only stipulate a minimum pressure and not a maximum camber. Very surprised about that given the nature of the car and the amount of camber they run as a result.

With that in mind you can't really blame the teams for the failures if they're given no guidelines on how far they can safely push a tyre and you certainly can't let them find out via failures...

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Really, firstly they had a test day and secondly teams had issues yesterday, I notice triple 8 didnt have issues today. wonder why that is

[one five five]

Originally Posted by chavez

They should be proactive and investigate and not hand out penalties because the infringement shows up on TV.

Remember the old spinning the wheels during a pit stop - only on one occasion was a penalty handed out that didn't first air on TV.

In a perfect world there would be camera's and officials everywhere to catch everything

But there isn't, and when footage clearly shows a rules breach, then it must be acted upon by the stewards

If they didn't act on it, there would be just as much critcism of the stewards in the other direction

Originally Posted by peckstar

Really, firstly they had a test day and secondly teams had issues yesterday, I notice triple 8 didnt have issues today. wonder why that is

Agree completely

[sizzle]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Really, firstly they had a test day and secondly teams had issues yesterday, I notice triple 8 didnt have issues today. wonder why that is

Yep, they learnt their lesson from Lowndes practice crash.

No one else bothered to assess it.

[Ospi]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Really, firstly they had a test day and secondly teams had issues yesterday, I notice triple 8 didnt have issues today. wonder why that is

Because obviously they ran conservative settings and probably informed their drivers on how to cope with it, but their ability to cope with an apparent issue doesn't negate the fact that a clear issue exists which differs from the norm that the cars run with. For a lot of teams the race was the first time they had encountered a problem as well. Teams are going to run settings that historical data has deemed competitive and reliable, so when they rock up to a circuit utilising that data only to find themselves with sudden failures it's not exactly fair for them to carry the blame. It then becomes a case of guesswork on how conservative they need to run in order to avoid issues and some did better than others in that department. A team learning the limits of their setup via a blow out at 200kph isn't really ideal.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Ospi

Because obviously they ran conservative settings and probably informed their drivers on how to cope with it, but their ability to cope with an apparent issue doesn't negate the fact that a clear issue exists which differs from the norm that the cars run with. For a lot of teams the race was the first time they had encountered a problem as well. Teams are going to run settings that historical data has deemed competitive and reliable, so when they rock up to a circuit utilising that data only to find themselves with sudden failures it's not exactly fair for them to carry the blame. It then becomes a case of guesswork on how conservative they need to run in order to avoid issues and some did better than others in that department. A team learning the limits of their setup via a blow out at 200kph isn't really ideal.

How else do you learn the limits of a set up, you have to take them to a limit

so the ran conservative setting and had two cars in the top 5. interesting

[Ospi]

Originally Posted by peckstar

How else do you learn the limits of a set up, you have to take them to a limit

so the ran conservative setting and had two cars in the top 5. interesting

They also had data from a failure yesterday which pointed them in the right direction on safer settings. Other teams weren't lucky enough to have failures in practice to learn the lessons red bull did. For those that did, sure, they probably didn't play it conservatively enough, but then again perhaps they did, there's a lot of facts within this situation we don't know.

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[PS2244]

Originally Posted by Backagain

I used to be really p***ed off by the sellout to Foxtel. Now, I think they are actually doing us a favour, there is no longer any need to watch the telecast as the so called "racing" is totally irrelevant, the result is no longer decided by who crosses the line first, it is all fabricated by "race control" (these days the name says it all). We may as well give the "highlights" a miss as well, just get up the morning after and read the constructed results, has NOTHING to do with what we used to call RACING.
What an absolute disaster you have created Mr. Warburton!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A race is decided by a few dotted lines and a bunch of unproven dodgy tyres.

Anyway thanks for all the free time this weekend, instead of watching the V8's (not the "Supercars") which I used to love, I got a lot done around the farm, watched the highlights for a short time, then switched over to Netflix, won't be bothering with the "highlights" tomorrow, just read the results Monday once they have finished manufacturing them.

Calm down mate it's not fabricated how do you think Coulthard is leading if they are?

[PS2244]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Really, firstly they had a test day and secondly teams had issues yesterday, I notice triple 8 didnt have issues today. wonder why that is

Peckstar it's not a conspiracy lol

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by LD2244

Peckstar it's not a conspiracy lol

agreed. merely learning from yesterday, its why they have won the last 7 teams championships

[one five five]

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[PS2244]

Originally Posted by peckstar

agreed. merely learning from yesterday, its why they have won the last 7 teams championships

Because they've got more money and more resources at their disposal it's like all sports you have your powerhouses

[PS2244]

Isn't time certain finishes do to there being no lighting at most of the track on the calendar?