Home  
Site Partners: SpotterGuides Veloce Books  
Related Sites: Classic Cars Monthly Your Link Here  

Go Back   TenTenths Motorsport Forum > Historic Racing & Motorsport History > Motorsport History

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 26 Oct 2009, 22:25 (Ref:2570358)   #1
Mike Sheraton
Racer
 
Mike Sheraton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
United Kingdom
Hemel Hempstead
Posts: 346
Mike Sheraton should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
BMW E30 325I Racing history

hi guys, i was just wondering whether there was ever a BMW 325i e30 racing in the late 80s, either in production saloons or touring cars.
I am going to be racing one next year and would just like to see whether the car itself has any racing heritage, i may even use one for a livery etc.
photos, info, or anything would be great thanks.

Mike
Mike Sheraton is offline  
__________________
ShelSpeed
Ford Anglia 105e - Pre 66 Touring Cars
BMW E30 325IS - Pre 93 Touring Cars
Quote
Old 27 Oct 2009, 03:24 (Ref:2570492)   #2
DAVID PATERSON
Veteran
 
DAVID PATERSON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 1999
Australia
Brisbane, Qld, Australia
Posts: 5,549
DAVID PATERSON should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridDAVID PATERSON should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridDAVID PATERSON should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
Hi Mike, The JPS BMW team ran an E30 325i in selected rounds of the 1986 Australian Touring Car Championship. It looked fabulous in the JPS black & gold colours. An E30 323i was run in selected rounds of the 1985 Australian Touring Car Championship, in BMW Motorsport colours.
DAVID PATERSON is offline  
Quote
Old 27 Oct 2009, 11:20 (Ref:2570672)   #3
KA
Veteran
 
KA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Posts: 5,402
KA has a real shot at the podium!KA has a real shot at the podium!KA has a real shot at the podium!KA has a real shot at the podium!KA has a real shot at the podium!
They were fairly widely raced in Europe as well- probably the most successful were the works-backed(?) Linder cars, though a number of private teams in Europe ran them as well, such as Auto Budde. The odd thing is, that although it was one of the most competitive cars in the 2.5 litre class in 1985/6, it was a car that never appeared in the BTCC, where Alfas and the Escort RS Turbo seemed to be the preferred weapon (though when the 2-litre regs came in, an E30 318i did appear periodically in 1990/1 run by Techspeed (90) and R&D Motorsport (91)http://www.supertouring.co.uk/galler...ntrants_2.html .)

There was also a prodsaloon 325i around 1985/6- as I remember, Richard Hinton, who I think posts on here, was one of the drivers involved with that

A few pics:

Linder:
http://www.racingsportscars.com/chas...inder1%23.html
http://www.racingsportscars.com/chas...986-45%23.html

Auto Budde
http://www.racingsportscars.com/chas...986-71%23.html



If you're looking for inspiration for a paintjob though, I'd be tempted to go with the JPS look- I've never seen a race car of any kind that those colours didn't suit ...
http://www.speedshots.com.au/gallery..._1156.jpg.html
KA is offline  
Quote
Old 27 Oct 2009, 22:09 (Ref:2571027)   #4
chunterer
Race Official
Veteran
 
chunterer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location:
Down the end of my road
Posts: 15,697
chunterer is going for a new world record!chunterer is going for a new world record!chunterer is going for a new world record!chunterer is going for a new world record!chunterer is going for a new world record!chunterer is going for a new world record!chunterer is going for a new world record!
KA makes a very good point about the lack of cars in the BTCC when in all likelihood, even in earlier 2.3 litre form, it might well have made a useful weapon?

There were rumours in the early 80's of a TWR entry after Walkinshaw ran the County Championship who at the time also had entered the heavy the 5 series and there had also been a mooted 635 in G1. I think Sytner toyed with the idea of building a car too?

However it wasn't until the M3 arrived that we had regular 3-series entries in the perier tin top series over here.

The '86 ETC entires were I think kind of 'dummy runs' for the M3?

I remember the Richard Hinton 323/325's in the Uniroyals, one race he must've destroyed his tyres as i'm sure it came past me in shrouds of tyre smoke?!!
chunterer is offline  
__________________
"Double Kidney Guv'nah?"
"No thanks George they're still wavin a white flag!"
Quote
Old 27 Oct 2009, 22:40 (Ref:2571046)   #5
Mike Sheraton
Racer
 
Mike Sheraton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
United Kingdom
Hemel Hempstead
Posts: 346
Mike Sheraton should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
thanks guys this is great
i never knew that these cars were actualy raced in period.
keep the pics and info coming!!!
Mike Sheraton is offline  
__________________
ShelSpeed
Ford Anglia 105e - Pre 66 Touring Cars
BMW E30 325IS - Pre 93 Touring Cars
Quote
Old 29 Oct 2009, 09:34 (Ref:2571886)   #6
Frank de Jong
Ten-Tenths Hall of Fame
Racer
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Netherlands
Amsterdam
Posts: 312
Frank de Jong should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridFrank de Jong should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Check the 1986 ETCC and pictures section on www.touringcarracing.net; you may find the Rene Lezard sponsored car of Danner which was quite competitive.
Frank de Jong is offline  
__________________
Frank de Jong
Quote
Old 7 Nov 2009, 10:18 (Ref:2577521)   #7
davyboy
Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 6,986
davyboy will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famedavyboy will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famedavyboy will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famedavyboy will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famedavyboy will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famedavyboy will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famedavyboy will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famedavyboy will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
I remember Christian Danner's car very well and it was very competitive in the ETCC during the mid 1980s. Why didn't they appear in the BTCC around then ? A very good question indeed. Possibly the fact that the BMWs were an extremely expensive platform to run in touring cars and these would have been in Class B rather than the top flight Class A, a class that at the time was pretty poorly supported in the BTCC with only Jon Dooley and Rob Kirby being the main stalwarts in the Alfas. In contrast, Class B in the ETCC had much better support.

The E30 325i was a fabulous car though and when the same [well pretty similar] platform was used for the M3, it went on to clean up.
davyboy is offline  
Quote
Old 7 Nov 2009, 10:24 (Ref:2577526)   #8
GTRMagic
Race Official
1% Club
 
GTRMagic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Australia
Sell me this pen....
Posts: 46,570
GTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
There is one for sale, in JPS BMW colours Here with a few pics
GTRMagic is offline  
__________________
Happy David Thexton Day, 21st March 2003
“I am not uncertain” - Dollar Bill Stern, Billions
“Fear stimulates my imagination” - Don Draper, Mad Men
“Everybody Lies” - Dr Gregory House
Quote
Old 7 Nov 2009, 14:37 (Ref:2577658)   #9
Mike Sheraton
Racer
 
Mike Sheraton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
United Kingdom
Hemel Hempstead
Posts: 346
Mike Sheraton should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
such a nice car!
ours is white, and we are not sure whether just to do a white based livery, or to spend more and go for the full black.

its realy nice to hear that there is some racing history behind the 325i aswell and it would be nice to get cockpit pictures for inspiration as we are currently on that stage of development
Mike Sheraton is offline  
__________________
ShelSpeed
Ford Anglia 105e - Pre 66 Touring Cars
BMW E30 325IS - Pre 93 Touring Cars
Quote
Old 21 Dec 2009, 20:14 (Ref:2603364)   #10
Mike Sheraton
Racer
 
Mike Sheraton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
United Kingdom
Hemel Hempstead
Posts: 346
Mike Sheraton should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
any more information that can be provided?

also we are definitely heading for the bastos colours.
Mike Sheraton is offline  
__________________
ShelSpeed
Ford Anglia 105e - Pre 66 Touring Cars
BMW E30 325IS - Pre 93 Touring Cars
Quote
Old 21 Dec 2009, 21:05 (Ref:2603392)   #11
chunterer
Race Official
Veteran
 
chunterer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location:
Down the end of my road
Posts: 15,697
chunterer is going for a new world record!chunterer is going for a new world record!chunterer is going for a new world record!chunterer is going for a new world record!chunterer is going for a new world record!chunterer is going for a new world record!chunterer is going for a new world record!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Sheraton View Post
any more information that can be provided?

also we are definitely heading for the bastos colours.
Bastos colours, how come?
chunterer is offline  
__________________
"Double Kidney Guv'nah?"
"No thanks George they're still wavin a white flag!"
Quote
Old 21 Dec 2009, 21:14 (Ref:2603395)   #12
graham bahr
Veteran
 
graham bahr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
England
cambs
Posts: 2,071
graham bahr should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridgraham bahr should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Markus oestreich apparently did the 1986 european touring car championship with an alpina powered 325
graham bahr is offline  
__________________
AKA Guru

its not speed thats dangerous, just the sudden lack of it!
Quote
Old 26 Dec 2009, 22:13 (Ref:2605244)   #13
PETER THORBY
Rookie
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 14
PETER THORBY should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
check out these posts
http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...BMW+325+photos
PETER THORBY is offline  
Quote
Old 3 Apr 2012, 22:44 (Ref:3053198)   #14
Mike Sheraton
Racer
 
Mike Sheraton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
United Kingdom
Hemel Hempstead
Posts: 346
Mike Sheraton should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
BMW E30 325I GroupA/N ??

Hello,
I was just wondering as to whether there was any history behind the BMW E30 325I in group A or N racing in the 1980s. Any information and pictures of any racing that occured with these machines would be great!
Mike Sheraton is offline  
__________________
ShelSpeed
Ford Anglia 105e - Pre 66 Touring Cars
BMW E30 325IS - Pre 93 Touring Cars
Quote
Old 4 Apr 2012, 08:47 (Ref:3053305)   #15
KA
Veteran
 
KA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Posts: 5,402
KA has a real shot at the podium!KA has a real shot at the podium!KA has a real shot at the podium!KA has a real shot at the podium!KA has a real shot at the podium!
Hi Mike

Not so much in the UK (although I remember Richard Hinton running one in Prodsaloons, I was always surprised no-one tried the 323/325 for the BTCC- though you can say the same about the Merc 190, another 2500cc class car successful in Europe, but virtually unknown here other than in prodsaloons), but plenty in Europe, where they were a very popular choice, first in 323i form, then the 325i in 1986.
In particular, the Linder team with Winni Vogt and Christian Danner amongst others, having plenty of success in both DTM and ETCC

http://www.irmler-motorsport.de/irml...older_85_1.jpg

http://www.racingsportscars.com/driv...ni-Vogt-D.html

http://www.racingsportscars.com/type...25i.html?cat=4

Frank Gardner's JPS team used them on occasion in Australia as well. Won't swear to this, but I think we might have a 325i thread somewhere?
KA is offline  
Quote
Old 4 Apr 2012, 10:02 (Ref:3053344)   #16
David Towe
Veteran
 
David Towe's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
England
Glenmore Park NSW
Posts: 1,279
David Towe should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Hi Mike, yes Gardner's JPS Team BMW did use the E30 in OZ. The first one was a 323i that was used as a development car and was only used in certain rounds of the Australian Touring Car Championship and the Sydney centered AMSCAR Series. It was in BMW Motorsport colours as they donated the car to Gardner for development puposes. I owned the car for 5 years and it was a delight to run, reliable and relatively cheap to maintain. The car is now in New Zealand.

The next 2 cars were 325i's and were in the JPS livery as Gardner paid for these out of his tobacco money. They were never an outright contender in the ATCC but were quite successful on the smaller tracks and a good indication of the potential of the impending M3's. Both are still available for sale and I've attached a link for the one in NZ which is in quite nice condition.

http://www.my105.com/ListingDetails/...5/Default.aspx

The other one is here in Sydney and is available for about AUD $100k.

http://www.my105.com/ListingDetails/...8/Default.aspx

The 3rd of these 325 shells was converted to M3 specification before the 325 build was completed. I own it and it has been a great car to race. The mainstay of Gardner's challenge in the ATCC was the aging 635 which was proving to be past it's use by date in 1986 and the M3 was introduced in 1987. Richards quaified the first of them on pole for the first round in March. They went on to win the championship and finish 4th outright at Bathurst that year.

Last edited by David Towe; 4 Apr 2012 at 10:12.
David Towe is offline  
__________________
"The past is knowledge, the present our mistake, the future we always leave too late" Paul Weller (The Style Coulcil)
Quote
Old 8 Apr 2012, 09:24 (Ref:3055229)   #17
Amaroo Park
Veteran
 
Amaroo Park's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Australia
New South Wales
Posts: 2,417
Amaroo Park should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
I still maintain that the Gardner JPS cars were the best looking race cars ever to grace Australian race circuits. He took the presentation of race cars to a whole new level
Amaroo Park is offline  
__________________
BAZINGA!
Quote
Old 20 Apr 2012, 09:57 (Ref:3062539)   #18
Les Dalton
Rookie
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
France
Chez Jeanmet Charmant 16320 France
Posts: 23
Les Dalton should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Hi Mike,
Les Dalton here in sunny France.
You might have already looked at the BMWRDC Uk for info, but when I raced in the championship in the late 90s, there were loads of well prepared, and very fast 325is competing.
Have a look at their website, and you may get some relevent information to help with your project car.
Kind Regards,
Les Dalton.


http://www.bmwrdc.com/#
Les Dalton is offline  
Quote
Old 20 Apr 2012, 13:24 (Ref:3062639)   #19
Mark-e21
Rookie
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location:
Cornwall
Posts: 51
Mark-e21 should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
I'd certainly be intrigued to see which livery you go with Mike?

e21 are my usual choice of old BMW but I've just finished putting an e30 325 together myself. I only do a few speed events and track days but the e30 has been pretty well catered for over the years and there's certainly plenty of set-up info available.

Were I to do it again, I would opt for a LHD shell and search out a non-sunroof example. Mind you, given my tiny budget, I am quite happy with how my car has turned out. It might only have 170bhp but it only weighs 1 010 kgs so it's still good fun.

Mark-e21 is offline  
Quote
Old 25 Apr 2012, 01:25 (Ref:3065224)   #20
E36ST
Racer
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
New Zealand
NZ
Posts: 232
E36ST should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by David Towe View Post
Hi Mike, yes Gardner's JPS Team BMW did use the E30 in OZ. The first one was a 323i that was used as a development car and was only used in certain rounds of the Australian Touring Car Championship and the Sydney centered AMSCAR Series. It was in BMW Motorsport colours as they donated the car to Gardner for development puposes. I owned the car for 5 years and it was a delight to run, reliable and relatively cheap to maintain. The car is now in New Zealand.
And for sale here:

http://www.my105.com/ListingDetails/...4/Default.aspx
E36ST is offline  
Quote
Old 25 Apr 2012, 08:16 (Ref:3065268)   #21
David Towe
Veteran
 
David Towe's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
England
Glenmore Park NSW
Posts: 1,279
David Towe should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
My old car, it was such a great, fun car to race. My whole team miss it.
David Towe is offline  
__________________
"The past is knowledge, the present our mistake, the future we always leave too late" Paul Weller (The Style Coulcil)
Quote
Old 19 Jan 2013, 09:41 (Ref:3191379)   #22
PETER THORBY
Rookie
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 14
PETER THORBY should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
BMW 323i Group A

This is all prbably a bit late.
I own the BMW JPS 323i Grp A car bthat raced in Australia in 1985.
Built by Frank Gardner, BMW Motorsport livery, as JPS did not want to use sponsorship money on a development car.
later that year, a black JPS 323 car was built for the enduros. In 1986, this was converted to a 325, and 2 other 325s were built. AS i understand it, the last of these was converted into an M3, being the first of the JPS M3's that Richards ran.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg CCC 090907.jpg (598.0 KB, 54 views)
PETER THORBY is offline  
Quote
Old 19 Jan 2013, 15:35 (Ref:3191493)   #23
jan bot
Rookie
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 31
jan bot should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
sorry, had to drop this here..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7oVn1N2unc
The description says that the engine is an ex-linder group A.
Short gearbox, more revs, and look how it overtakes the M3's..
jan bot is offline  
Quote
Old 20 Jan 2013, 10:33 (Ref:3191693)   #24
chunterer
Race Official
Veteran
 
chunterer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location:
Down the end of my road
Posts: 15,697
chunterer is going for a new world record!chunterer is going for a new world record!chunterer is going for a new world record!chunterer is going for a new world record!chunterer is going for a new world record!chunterer is going for a new world record!chunterer is going for a new world record!
Quote:
Originally Posted by PETER THORBY View Post
This is all prbably a bit late.
I own the BMW JPS 323i Grp A car bthat raced in Australia in 1985.
Built by Frank Gardner, BMW Motorsport livery, as JPS did not want to use sponsorship money on a development car.
later that year, a black JPS 323 car was built for the enduros. In 1986, this was converted to a 325, and 2 other 325s were built. AS i understand it, the last of these was converted into an M3, being the first of the JPS M3's that Richards ran.
Hi Peter thanks for posting, great to hear one of these cars is alive and well, keep us all posted!
chunterer is offline  
__________________
"Double Kidney Guv'nah?"
"No thanks George they're still wavin a white flag!"
Quote
Old 26 Jan 2013, 10:19 (Ref:3194442)   #25
DAVID PATERSON
Veteran
 
DAVID PATERSON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 1999
Australia
Brisbane, Qld, Australia
Posts: 5,549
DAVID PATERSON should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridDAVID PATERSON should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridDAVID PATERSON should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
Thanks for posting Peter. I remember watching your car race in 1985 and I'm glad to see it is still alive & well.
DAVID PATERSON is offline  
Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
JPS BMW 325i - photos? E36ST Motorsport History 31 29 Jul 2019 09:49
Group A BMW M3 E30 - General info and history GROUPA Motorsport History 376 24 Apr 2018 11:10
[BTCC] Techspeed racing 1992 BMW E30 livery help btcckid Touring Car Racing 6 22 Mar 2009 18:31
Grp A BMW 325i Gerard Hodges Motorsport History 2 12 May 2000 03:07
Grp A BMW 325i Gerard Hodges Announcements and Feedback 1 10 May 2000 18:58


All times are GMT. The time now is 09:21.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Original Website Copyright © 1998-2003 Craig Antil. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2004-2021 Royalridge Computing. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2021-2022 Grant MacDonald. All Rights Reserved.