Supertourer engine failures - Page 3

Goat Boy · 22 Nov 2012, 10:31 (Ref:3169754)

Can I borrow your soap box when you've finished with it? I need to get something off the top shelf...

**Woolley** · 22 Nov 2012, 12:50 (Ref:3169790)

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Originally Posted by Mr Revhead

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on_to_it · 23 Nov 2012, 20:33 (Ref:3170335)

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Originally Posted by St00ge

Anyway back to the the v8ST engines topic, can we have an answer on how many engines have been rebuilt due to problems and not just preventative maintenance work?

Don't hold your breath pal. The guys who really know are all a bit busy this weekend.

nistfan · 23 Nov 2012, 20:59 (Ref:3170338)

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Originally Posted by on_to_it

Don't hold your breath pal. The guys who really know are all a bit busy this weekend.

Yip getting on with the Racing, instead of just talking about it. Racing Cars have never run themselves...

TWRv12 · 23 Nov 2012, 23:45 (Ref:3170384)

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Originally Posted by on_to_it

Don't hold your breath pal. The guys who really know are all a bit busy this weekend.

They ran out of the important bits...

ccc member · 24 Nov 2012, 00:21 (Ref:3170396)

ST engines not looking as cheap as reliable as originally stated 3 engines this morning at Ruapuna and the day isn't over!

sportsfan · 24 Nov 2012, 00:34 (Ref:3170398)

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Originally Posted by ccc member

ST engines not looking as cheap as reliable as originally stated 3 engines this morning at Ruapuna and the day isn't over!

Is that because the place is such dust hole that the air filters got clogged. Good news for you CCC is that you will never have to worry about the ST every going back which will make you happy yes?

ccc member · 24 Nov 2012, 01:02 (Ref:3170399)

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Originally Posted by sportsfan

Is that because the place is such dust hole that the air filters got clogged. Good news for you CCC is that you will never have to worry about the ST every going back which will make you happy yes?

The fact that Ruapuna is one of the best motorsport facilities in the country and these engine failures have happened at all race tracks suggests your thoughts on dust isn't well thought through. Would be great to have ST here as long as they pay their bills!

sportsfan · 24 Nov 2012, 01:16 (Ref:3170404)

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Originally Posted by ccc member

The fact that Ruapuna is one of the best motorsport facilities in the country and these engine failures have happened at all race tracks suggests your thoughts on dust isn't well thought through. Would be great to have ST here as long as they pay their bills!

Gosh CCC, take a deep breath mate and relax, I was only having a laugh so sorry about hitting the nerve.

Mr Revhead · 24 Nov 2012, 03:33 (Ref:3170413)

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Originally Posted by ccc member

ST engines not looking as cheap as reliable as originally stated 3 engines this morning at Ruapuna and the day isn't over!

4 before q2 was the text I got. Didn't say what they all went with though.

Biggy G · 24 Nov 2012, 04:04 (Ref:3170415)

3. Corkery, Scott, Booth. Booth had a replacement go in, the other 2 are done. #47 done for the weekend after JMacs wreck.

smokin'joe · 24 Nov 2012, 04:13 (Ref:3170419)

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Originally Posted by Mr Revhead

4 before q2 was the text I got. Didn't say what they all went with though.

are we all sure that they arn't a Ford in a Generals uniform??
are the engines outside their comfort level??, afterall they the SBC would be one of the most globally used motorsport engines with usually a top reliability reputation.

Club racer · 24 Nov 2012, 04:45 (Ref:3170421)

Interesting also that the engine problems seem to aflict the same teams. And interesting that the Knight car had engine problems when it was a Knight car and has not had problems since it was an IMS car....

Choice of oil worth looking at perhaps?

smokin'joe · 24 Nov 2012, 05:29 (Ref:3170426)

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Originally Posted by Club racer

Interesting also that the engine problems seem to aflict the same teams. And interesting that the Knight car had engine problems when it was a Knight car and has not had problems since it was an IMS car....

Choice of oil worth looking at perhaps?

no, it's gotta be sabotage from other teams

pornstar · 24 Nov 2012, 06:41 (Ref:3170435)

Knight car was faster when it was a knight car though now it's average and from what I've seen same people working on it

on_to_it · 24 Nov 2012, 09:34 (Ref:3170476)

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Originally Posted by pornstar

Knight car was faster when it was a knight car though now it's average and from what I've seen same people working on it

Thanks Andy.

ccc member · 24 Nov 2012, 10:40 (Ref:3170501)

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Originally Posted by Club racer

Interesting also that the engine problems seem to aflict the same teams. And interesting that the Knight car had engine problems when it was a Knight car and has not had problems since it was an IMS car....

Choice of oil worth looking at perhaps?

After talking to a couple of the affected teams today it appears that 4 of the teams had their engines rebuilt before this event with new pistons ect.. 3 of those engines failed today. Interesting that the 4th was the Edgell car. Also interesting is the fact that Randell is involved in rebuilding some of the engines and comments were made how fast their car was in a straight line. My understanding is there has been very poor control over engine rebuilds, with at least 4 different engine builders, hardly a spec sealed engine anymore!

Club racer · 24 Nov 2012, 18:18 (Ref:3170634)

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Originally Posted by sportsfan

Gosh CCC, take a deep breath mate and relax, I was only having a laugh so sorry about hitting the nerve.

Certainly the area where John crashed could do with another layer of tyres, one layer was not as effective as two would have been and a bank is very solid indeed... sure it has the license, but it doesn't mean you cannot make it safer.

Club racer · 24 Nov 2012, 18:22 (Ref:3170636)

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Originally Posted by ccc member

After talking to a couple of the affected teams today it appears that 4 of the teams had their engines rebuilt before this event with new pistons ect.. 3 of those engines failed today. Interesting that the 4th was the Edgell car. Also interesting is the fact that Randell is involved in rebuilding some of the engines and comments were made how fast their car was in a straight line. My understanding is there has been very poor control over engine rebuilds, with at least 4 different engine builders, hardly a spec sealed engine anymore!

My understanding is that this thrad is turning into the worst example I have ever seen of Kiwi Tall Poppy bulls**t

flyingduck · 24 Nov 2012, 18:32 (Ref:3170641)

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Originally Posted by ccc member

After talking to a couple of the affected teams today it appears that 4 of the teams had their engines rebuilt before this event with new pistons ect.. 3 of those engines failed today. Interesting that the 4th was the Edgell car. Also interesting is the fact that Randell is involved in rebuilding some of the engines and comments were made how fast their car was in a straight line. My understanding is there has been very poor control over engine rebuilds, with at least 4 different engine builders, hardly a spec sealed engine anymore!

Wait a second some thing sounds wrong here 4 motors were rebuilt but you say Randell built some engines and then you say 4 different builder have been used I'm confused.

ccc member · 24 Nov 2012, 19:36 (Ref:3170657)

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Originally Posted by Club racer

My understanding is that this thrad is turning into the worst example I have ever seen of Kiwi Tall Poppy bulls**t

So you don't like seeing the real facts coming straight from the ST teams themselves. Not all happy in the camp

ccc member · 24 Nov 2012, 19:40 (Ref:3170658)

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Originally Posted by flyingduck

Wait a second some thing sounds wrong here 4 motors were rebuilt but you say Randell built some engines and then you say 4 different builder have been used I'm confused.

Different engine builders for a number of other engines rebuilt,

flyingduck · 24 Nov 2012, 20:16 (Ref:3170666)

When have teams ever been happy at the back of the grid. Everyone doing well is always cheating.

on_to_it · 24 Nov 2012, 20:41 (Ref:3170672)

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Originally Posted by flyingduck

Everyone doing well is always cheating.

That is a very sweeping statement and sorry, but it is just not correct.

Mr Revhead · 24 Nov 2012, 20:47 (Ref:3170674)

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Originally Posted by on_to_it

That is a very sweeping statement and sorry, but it is just not correct.

I think maybe he was making a sarcastic comment

Oil the culprit? I wouldn't think so unless someone got the oil spec very wrong. I mean they are SBC, not weird high boost turbos or anything.

as far as why some have issues and some don't, and some cars seem faster than others.
Is there maybe something going on with how the teams run the dry sump set up? More vacuum in the sump = more power. Not sure it would make a visible difference in a straight line though.

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