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Old 28 Aug 2017, 04:54 (Ref:3762218)   #51
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The Red Baron, lol.

As a comparison Schumacher had:
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It would be interesting to know how many starts Mr Schumacher had when he reached his 68 pole positions. Clearly less poles in the "twilight" years but additions to the tally of starts.
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Old 28 Aug 2017, 05:28 (Ref:3762220)   #52
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Thanks bj.

It would be interesting to know how many starts Mr Schumacher had when he reached his 68 pole positions. Clearly less poles in the "twilight" years but additions to the tally of starts.
His 68th pole came in his 241st start (I think).
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Old 28 Aug 2017, 05:38 (Ref:3762222)   #53
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His 68th pole came in his 241st start (I think).
It was at Magny-Cours in 2006.
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Old 28 Aug 2017, 05:42 (Ref:3762224)   #54
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His 68th pole came in his 241st start (I think).
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It was at Magny-Cours in 2006.
Thanks both.

Roughly a couple of seasons difference between MS & LH on how many races to clock up the pole number - in both cases, impressive statistic and also indicative of spending similar time in dominant or competitive teams.
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Old 28 Aug 2017, 08:59 (Ref:3762261)   #55
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I think he has such a monopoly of records it's nice that one has been matched here and soon to be broken
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Old 28 Aug 2017, 14:05 (Ref:3762341)   #56
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The Red Baron, lol.

As a comparison Schumacher had:
306 starts, but had 308 GP entries as he was disqualified from the German and Belgian GPs in 1994.
91 wins
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68 pole positions
77 fastest laps

Hamilton has:
200 starts
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68 pole positions
37 fastest laps
Thanks BJ
Looking at those stats Hamilton could pass most of Schumacher's records in the next 5 or so seasons. A win rate of 8 per season could see him there sooner. The other factor is that we are looking at 20+GP's per season in the next few years.
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Old 28 Aug 2017, 16:17 (Ref:3762369)   #57
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speaking about blame and lack of penalties...i am surprised that Perez didnt get one for dragging his car back around to the pits.

actually a bit more surprised that rim held up so well and came off relatively easily in the pits but he should have pulled over much sooner then that imo.
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Old 28 Aug 2017, 16:25 (Ref:3762370)   #58
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speaking about blame and lack of penalties...i am surprised that Perez didnt get one for dragging his car back around to the pits.
Why would he be penalized for bringing the car back to the pits for possible repair?
Is that a regulation? I admittedly haven't read them in years.
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Old 28 Aug 2017, 16:48 (Ref:3762372)   #59
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for sure you can bring your car back around for repairs but for me Perez got a little too close to one of the Williams(i think?) as they were trying to get around his damaged car. you cant hold the racing line if you are damaged imo (that said i also dont know what the rules say on that now either).

in hindsight everything was fine, but in the moment i felt he was taking too much of a risk.
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Old 28 Aug 2017, 16:52 (Ref:3762373)   #60
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Why would he be penalized for bringing the car back to the pits for possible repair?
Is that a regulation? I admittedly haven't read them in years.
Bits and pieces falling off perhaps? The tyre carcass could have ended up anywhere..... and yes, he seemed to hold up one of the Williams on the racing line.
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Old 28 Aug 2017, 17:11 (Ref:3762377)   #61
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I'll give you the holding others up (I didn't catch the incident). I was just wondering if there's a reg now not permitting return.

"speaking about blame and lack of penalties...i am surprised that Perez didnt get one for dragging his car back around to the pits."
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Old 28 Aug 2017, 17:28 (Ref:3762381)   #62
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No, no reg that I'm aware of, other than I guess a general posing of risk to others. Plenty have done it before him, to be honest.
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Old 28 Aug 2017, 17:50 (Ref:3762397)   #63
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Yeah, I know they have. That's why I asked. I thought maybe I missed a new reg. (they just keep, coming and coming...in life in general ) Again, admittedly, I just don't keep up like I had...ooohhhh...about the previous 50ish years, up 'til about when DRS came into effect; 2010ish? Many things have bugged me about changes in F1, but that one was the proverbial camel's back breaking straw....

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Old 28 Aug 2017, 19:04 (Ref:3762418)   #64
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In this interview at 2:30, to me Perez basically admits trying to put Ocon into the wall by trying to justify with, he did it to me before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gwc0sXqCEBI


The whole video is well worth a watch including Webber and Coulthard's responses that he would have known.


Massive stewarding screw up imo!
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Well, no doubt Perez was a **** for moving over, but equally Ocon could expect that by now and could have lifted a fraction. Two cars into a corner, two cars out seems a pretty good rule to live by and everyone needs to give racing room. The best comment at the end was "he knows the car alongside him can't just disappear."

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To be fair, I think Ocon tried to back out when he realised Perez was squeezing him, but it happened quite suddenly.
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JV seems to think Ocon kept his nose in as a message to Perez that he wasn't go to be intimidated
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Well, if he did (keep his nose in), that surely doesn't match with "he tried to kill me twice".
If I was convinced someone tried to kill me, I certainly wouldn't offer that guy another attempt "just to prive a point", unless I had a death wish.
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Any which way one looks at it, running an opponent to a wall is bs.
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I don't think we should blame Ocon for showing a little leg, this is all on Perez for not being able to contain himself from being the usual douchebag that he is.
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Well, if he did (keep his nose in), that surely doesn't match with "he tried to kill me twice".
If I was convinced someone tried to kill me, I certainly wouldn't offer that guy another attempt "just to prive a point", unless I had a death wish.
If a racer backs out out of fear, will he ever be able to take the chances necessary to win?
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Fear?...or intelligent self-preservation in the face of an a**hole move?
Very often discretion is the better part of valor....That sitiation could have ended very badly.
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Yes. It's not fear to live to fight another day.

These people are supposed to be professionals, paid a huge amount of money to help their teams get as far up the WC rankings as they can. They won't do it if they keep trashing their cars on each other.

This silly bickering should be left in the lower formulae. Perez and Ocon are paid to do a job most people would pay a King's Ransom to do. It's not big, it's not clever, it just shows an immaturity that other teams will be noticing.

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