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Old 5 Apr 2021, 19:36 (Ref:4044744)   #16
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How will logistics work without impacting the environment?
To reduce the carbon footprint of the series, all Extreme E freight and logistics will travel by sea.
The historic former Royal Mail Ship the St. Helena has undergone a multi-million-pound renovation, which included a full refurbishment of its mechanics and engines to ensure its efficiency and to minimise its emissions.
The 7,000-tonne vessel will be transformed into a ‘floating garage’ alongside being the operational base for the series. It is esti mated that travelling by sea will lower freight emissions by two thirds in comparison to air travel.


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Alejandro Agag, Founder and CEO at Extreme E commented: “Extreme E’s goal is to have a zero-net carbon footprint by the end of its first season, which means removing as many emissions as we produce. We plan to achieve this by following the United Nation’s framework which recommends reducing, measuring, and offsetting carbon emissions. The projects we will support will empower local communities to reduce emissions to help protect the planet, not just now but for the long-term.”
Thanks for the links, I knew of the boat but didnt know all the work that had been done on it or the money spent, sound like its straight out of a Bond movie!
What about from the port to the track? It was in the desert at least 3 or 4 hours from the nearest port I believe, some ingenious way of getting there?

Anyway maybe I shouldnt judge the whole thing after 1 round where the format had to be changed (dust in the desert, who would have thought?) With more actual racing it may improve but in a world where things have become very quick fire, stretching the thing out over 2 days may not be particually to the younger generation too popular.
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Old 5 Apr 2021, 20:32 (Ref:4044749)   #17
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Thanks for the links, I knew of the boat but didnt know all the work that had been done on it or the money spent, sound like its straight out of a Bond movie!
What about from the port to the track? It was in the desert at least 3 or 4 hours from the nearest port I believe, some ingenious way of getting there?

Anyway maybe I shouldnt judge the whole thing after 1 round where the format had to be changed (dust in the desert, who would have thought?) With more actual racing it may improve but in a world where things have become very quick fire, stretching the thing out over 2 days may not be particually to the younger generation too popular.
Remember that if they're going carbon neutral (or carbon positive), then even if they use the most polluting means possible from port to track, they must make it up in other ways. So I think it's ok.

Similar to you, I;m trying not to judge it on 1 round. But I loved qualifying and then really disliked the race lol.
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Old 6 Apr 2021, 18:00 (Ref:4044861)   #18
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There were certainly good ideas. The cars looked nice and some of the course layout was pretty inspired. It was just the racing that made a mockery of it. And even if you're trying to do a carbon neutral series there's just something that feels instinctively wrong about racing on a glacier or in the Amazones. We've never raced there before and are those places really reasonable places to try and establish a new sporting event? It just seems like sensitive environments where it'd be hard to avoid a negative environmental impact.
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Old 6 Apr 2021, 18:06 (Ref:4044865)   #19
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The green message stuff is a load of poo really. The same with Formula E where there is a huge amount of work done with tricks and cranes to create the circuit.
WE shouldn't have to justify ourselves. Think of a PL soccer match, floodlights, coaches, spectator cars etc all using energy.
I found it incredibly boring.
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Old 9 Apr 2021, 10:42 (Ref:4045294)   #20
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As a big fan of rally raid I have to say it was really exciting!

It's an off road style series obviously but it was much more interesting than Formula E and a lot more challenging. For me it was a success and they gave a lesson to the Dakar which never showed a live in these years even for the classic short prologue.


I have watched qualifying first and it was a really good show! Cars are big and high with big wheels and a lot of wheel travel wich is just good on such a surface. The track was challenging: guys who race in Rally Raid like Sainz and Loeb had no problem at all; Kristofferson was just impressive, real talent! Guys with circuit background struggled like in the case of Button.


As for the races, yeah they were a bit disappointing with no real duels a part that for the first kilometer. I think the race format for the desert was wrong but I read that they were largely unlucky with no wind in contrast to the day before. So the sand could not be clean.

Anyway it's really more intriguing than FE, they have to sort some problems but it's a good start. It's less artificial than FE and I really appreciate that. Cars are mega, the only problem that has to be sorted is that related to the power steering.

I suspect that some pro girls are quicker than some male drivers like in the case of Sara Price, Cristina Gutierrez Molly Taylor and maybe Catie Munnings...
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Old 9 Apr 2021, 20:25 (Ref:4045352)   #21
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I gave it about 3 minutes, and gave up, just like FE it is nuanced garbage for people with an agenda, and the fact it's in Saudi, anyone who watched really ought to be ashamed of themselves.
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and the fact it's in Saudi, anyone who watched really ought to be ashamed of themselves.
Err. Ashamed of yourself?

I understand the reasons people think sport should boycott Saudi Arabia (and if I was organising the schedule Saudi would not be on it). I assume that, as ever, money talks. Slightly ironic that a championship with 50% female drivers (I'm assuming that's the highest ration outside of W Series) goes to a country with such a backwards view on women driving.

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just like FE it is nuanced garbage for people with an agenda,
Whilst I'd agree that all the environmental stuff they're pushing does seem a bit at odds with blasting cars around "fragile environments" it'll be interesting to see if they can point to any positive impact they've had - so in a years time for example what's changed as a result of Extreme E visiting a particular location. I'm assuming they'll have to be able to come up with some to jusitfy the continued existence of the series.
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Whilst I'd agree that all the environmental stuff they're pushing does seem a bit at odds with blasting cars around "fragile environments" it'll be interesting to see if they can point to any positive impact they've had - so in a years time for example what's changed as a result of Extreme E visiting a particular location. I'm assuming they'll have to be able to come up with some to justify the continued existence of the series.
They'll probably still produce oil to cope with the demand for more electricity
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I understand the reasons people think sport should boycott Saudi Arabia (and if I was organising the schedule Saudi would not be on it). I assume that, as ever, money talks. Slightly ironic that a championship with 50% female drivers (I'm assuming that's the highest ration outside of W Series) goes to a country with such a backwards view on women driving.
Though I agree that money talks is probably the main reason for competing there, and that it is questionable to race there because of those views on women, one can also flip this argument; since it is a nation with such a backward rhetoric, wouldn't that nation also be in dire need of changing its perception? And being so, isn't Extreme E actually doing something good in that regard?
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since it is a nation with such a backward rhetoric, wouldn't that nation also be in dire need of changing its perception?
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And being so, isn't Extreme E actually doing something good in that regard?
That rather depends on if they're actualling highlighting that issue within Saudi Arabia or whether they're coming in, doing the event and leaving again without ever bringing it up with the powers that be.
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That rather depends on if they're actualling highlighting that issue within Saudi Arabia or whether they're coming in, doing the event and leaving again without ever bringing it up with the powers that be.
The issue that Extreme E is looking to highlight in Saudi Arabia is desertification.

To that end - they say the following:
Alejandro Agag, ““We chose to organise our first ever race in AlUla, with the aim to shed light on the threats presented by desertification. The magnificent sand dunes and breathtaking views of AlUla will represent the perfect backdrop to showcase the exploits of the innovative engineering masterpieces and the world class driving capabilities taking part in the competition.”

'As part of the commitments set by the Saudi Vision 2030, the country will seek to safeguard its environment by increasing the efficiency of waste management, establishing comprehensive recycling projects, reducing all types of pollution and fighting desertification. The country plans to promote the optimal use of water resources by reducing consumption and utilising treated and renewable water.'

Prince Khalid Bin Sultan Al-Abdullah Al-Faisal, chairman of the Saudi Automobile and Motorcycle Federation (SAMF) who are organising the race with Extreme E, said: “Saudi Arabia is a country that has hosted desert rallies for more than half a century and is home of the world’s largest continuous sand desert, so it presents the ideal setting for Extreme E to highlight challenges presented by desertification. The terrain in AlUla is stunning and unforgiving. There is no question that the winning combination of driver and machine will be a deserving one.

“Extreme E represents a natural partner for Saudi Arabia when it comes to raising awareness around the need to adopt environmentally friendly means of energy production. The Kingdom is placing significant resources to build its renewable energy sector as part of its Vision 2030 and as demonstrated by projects such as the forthcoming launch of the King Salman Renewable Energy Initiative.”


So the issue of climate change has definitely been discussed with the powers that be.
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Old 12 Apr 2021, 15:36 (Ref:4045712)   #27
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That rather depends on if they're actualling highlighting that issue within Saudi Arabia or whether they're coming in, doing the event and leaving again without ever bringing it up with the powers that be.
Fair point. They are doing it indirectly though so the public must have been able to see it or learn about it in some way. It speaks silently in itself.
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