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Old 31 Jul 2003, 07:43 (Ref:676026)   #76
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The man to speak to about the Irish connection must be Arnie Black. I have his number and will call him.

Allen, any luck with Robs?
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Old 2 Aug 2003, 23:13 (Ref:678199)   #77
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Kevin.

Two more trails for your Lotus 35 quest.

Autosport 27-8-70 page 3 , has a car with Austrian driver Richard Weber.
F1R. has Wolfgang Stumpf running at Munchen-Neubiberg 25-10-1970 in Lotus 35 , 35-F- 15.

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Old 3 Aug 2003, 15:08 (Ref:678706)   #78
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thanks, we are getting there.
I was at HSCC Castle Combe yesterday. V hot.
Classic Racing Cars is where I am headed. The Lotus 35 is over 500cc and pre 12/65.
at CC there was just one competetitor in that class, so provided I finish, even, (huh, I AM going to be slow!), if I am v slow, I shall be 2nd !!!
No Lotus entered at all, seemed mostly to be Brabhams. In other classes were some lovely cars, inc several screamer 1 litre cars. They seem to be allowed to run cut Avon slicks, so while loosing out a little on top speed, their cornering power gets them good results. They looked and sounded v nice.
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Old 3 Aug 2003, 22:39 (Ref:679033)   #79
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I have had quite a few Lotii over the years
27; Ex Ron Harris FJ car which I bought from Simon de Latour. Simon bought it from Ron and it was the 'Chapman Monza bet car' Did a number of F3 races in '65 I believe. Colour white. Cannot remember any good results however I see a silver BARC cigar box inscribed 28 March second place Mallory Park "Lotus Ford" !! Cosworth MAE went . Put in 1650 pushrod raced it at Snetterton and sold it to California. I recall also Oulton and Goodwood?? Chassis # no idea.
Then bought(in parnership with Frank Williams) a lotus 32 F2 from Jacques Maglia incl 64 SCA. I ended up with the engine + Box. Frank with the chassis. my parts went into a 65 Brabham BR 16 chassis and I did the odd F2 event in 66 incl Barcelona, Goodwood.

41's Had several of these.
1. F3 Bought from Nick Gould. Sold in France to Ballot Lena
2. 3 x Real automobile Club de Catalunia F3 cars.
ran them under comtract for Club members. One I retained and took to Monaco F3 in 1969. Blew engine and dns.
Fitted Twin cam and took to States at end of year as a F/B.
Recall still quite competetive at Mosport, Lime Rock etc
Came 2nd in each race and finally wrapped it up in a big way whilst leading at Lime Rock. I think it stayed in the States Repaired??
Lotus 35 F2 BRM still have it last used at Coys a few years ago where I loaned it to Jurg Dubler.
There was another similar car that I saw in Coys in the early 1980's and they told me it had been sold to Japan. Cedric Selcer also has a 44 with FI SCA recently sold I believe to Japan?
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Old 5 Aug 2003, 15:50 (Ref:680578)   #80
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Robs,
I have a photo from Ted Walkers Ferret Emporium that shows Jaques Maglia in a F2 Snetterton race, driving his Lotus 32.
Ted's photo gives 32-F2-6 as the chassis number.
The b&w pic shows a white? car with a central darker stripe down the middle. SCA engine cover and w web wheels.
So I take it that was the car you and Frank bought.
On your 35 does the monocoque number and chassis plate tie up with same number.
When I spoke to Clive Chapman recently, he said my tub no 35/22 was F20.
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Old 5 Aug 2003, 18:21 (Ref:680694)   #81
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Just a reminder - Ted's chassis numbers come from published F1 Register sources. They do not mean a contemporary, independent identification.

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Old 6 Aug 2003, 01:54 (Ref:680917)   #82
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Tony Barchou,who used to work with Ian Raby Racing had a Ron Harris Lotus 35 for sale in Toronto ,Canada about 20 years ago.A beautiful car ,in perfect condition,complete with a BRM ( Hope my memory is correct on the engine). He was asking $4500 at the time. I don't know where it went
Re Martin V8 engines. There were a pair of heads and numerous other parts for a 2 lire V8 engine for sale here for years.Martin used to work at GM in St Catharines ,Ontario Canada for a few years.The parts are probably still around here
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Old 6 Aug 2003, 06:54 (Ref:680995)   #83
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I take your point Allen, re Teds numbers, but it's all I have got to go on. I must speak to Jaques who now lives in Greece.
The Martin 2 litre V8 interests me. What formula was that aimed at? Was it 100% Martin or was it based on some production block etc? Do you know John?
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Old 6 Aug 2003, 09:00 (Ref:681075)   #84
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The Martin V8 of 1966-1970 was based on the heads from Ted Martin's FJ Anglia engine IIRC and the first couple made were 2-litre and ended up in the back of sportscars, at least one of which was in the USA, after Ted had got the 3-litres up and running.

Graham White who used to have a shop at Goodwood and was big in Renaults in the 1970s and '80s told me that he remembered another, later, Martin V8 2-litre, a more sophisticated engine that was used in the European 2-litre
championship in the 1970s - can anyone shed any further light on this?

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Old 6 Aug 2003, 16:15 (Ref:681390)   #85
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The Martin FJ engine development was the subject of a article by T Martin in Jan 61 Autosport. All was not going well !
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Old 8 Aug 2003, 15:07 (Ref:682951)   #86
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In the current Formula Junior Racing Assoc magazine is an obituary for John Romanes of Edinburgh. Seems this Scottish gentleman raced a Lotus 35. It was powered by a Martin engine, that was later removed to fit a 2 litre Climax and raced at Ingleston. The obit writer Andrew Fletcher also drove the same 35 on occasions at Croft and Ingleston.
At Croft the rear suspension broke and the car ended up inverted.
John was so upset at this he cut the Lotus 35 up when he got home.
So that means 1 less to survive today, we are down to 21 cars.
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Old 8 Aug 2003, 16:33 (Ref:683018)   #87
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No, that probably means 23 cars. Each half will have been rebuilt back into a complete car.

So is this the Lotus 35-Martin V8?

And is this the same Andrew Fletcher who drove the Fireball-Chev F5000 hill-climb car?

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Old 8 Aug 2003, 19:01 (Ref:683154)   #88
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Don't know about the Fireball connection, but it's surely the same Andrew Fletcher who turns out in historic sportscar races from time to time. Mate of Pipes, I think.
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Old 19 Aug 2003, 16:22 (Ref:692375)   #89
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I have been told that Freddie Kottulinski who raced in F3 with a 35 sold his car to someone who used the tub and rear suspension in a silhouette Triumph Spitfire racer.
Where is that car now ?
The front hubs and uprights are owned by the man who related the story.

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Old 20 Aug 2003, 00:07 (Ref:692736)   #90
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Re: Fireball.......
Visited Ingliston a couple of times in the early 70s. Was it realy Andrew Fletcher? I seem to remember him as a Brabham pilot then. Was there not an Andy ROBERTS (or similar) aboard a modified '58 or '59 Cooper with V8 power which had been renamed Fireball. It may have felt like one from the driving seat but didn't really look that way.
I remember Andrew Fletcher as a much more serious contender in those days, or maybe I'm going wobbly in the head.
It should have happened years ago.....
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Old 3 Sep 2003, 18:44 (Ref:707277)   #91
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I had a good look at the Classic Team Lotus 32B at Oulton Park recently during the Gold Cup, and was surprised to see that the car has a proper grp upholstered seat fitted. Also the gear linkage does not use a gate as per the 25 and 35. Also that the gear change rod runs within the tub. Behind the seat the monocoque is sloped but a large aperture gives access to the modern fire extinguisher. The car is in lovely condition, freshly repaired after the Monaco shunt, Clive Chapman told me they repaired and re used the tub skins.
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Old 4 Sep 2003, 12:12 (Ref:708003)   #92
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Thanks guys,
I am also interested if any more cars survive now. We still seem to only know my car + Paul Matty+ John Dimmer. Thats just 3. There must be more than that.
I know of one other 35 in the UK but not sure of chassis number - can make enquiries. Have a feeling same person also owns a 44 but could be mistaken on that one...

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Old 10 Sep 2003, 22:08 (Ref:714551)   #94
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Hi, I have some numbers for you, which were not listed yet. On 21/6/1970 during international race Czech republic Prix in Jicin DNF German driver Paul Fischer with Lotus 35/F/22, engine No. MAE66006. Here started also two Lotus 41C cars, which were delivered in 1967 to Czech republic. 41C/F3/39 DNF with driver Vladimir Hubacek, car is today in Czech National Technical Museum in Prague and 41C/F3/40 with driver Vladislav Ondrejik,winner of this race. This car was 3 month later heavily crashed and never raced again. I purchased this car one and half year ago and I am starting restoration.
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Old 11 Sep 2003, 07:04 (Ref:714711)   #95
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Thanks Michael,
I am pleased to get more information. I have not heard of Paul Fischer before, and will try to get more info.
Last night I had a call from USA. Steve Laurence has a Lotus 35, and he is starting restoration. At present he does not have an engine, the car being fitted originally with a Cosworth SCA F2 motor. So now he is looking for SCA parts.
41C/F3/40 I assume was fitted with a Holbay screamer ?
Any photos of car?

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Old 12 Sep 2003, 12:46 (Ref:716352)   #96
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You posted a while ago about a 35 you saw at Coys in 1999.Although many single seaters here in S.Africa ran with Alfa engines,unfortunatly none of the 27/32/35/44/48 series monocques ever came here.I might be able to identify with the help of some photos.
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Old 25 Sep 2003, 14:49 (Ref:729795)   #97
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IANHEB,

I looked in my photo album and it was 1998 not 1999 at the Coys auction, and the only photo I took is from the rear showing the engine compartment. I will try to get hold of an auction brochure to see if there is any more information about the supposed provenance, and if I can get the photo scanned I will try to post it.

When I was standing next to it I noticed that the ex-Lotus mechanic Cedric Selzer (owner of Lotus 25/R5) was standing nearby also looking at it, so I asked him what it was and he thought it was a 35.

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Old 25 Sep 2003, 18:20 (Ref:729966)   #98
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If you're talking about the 1998 Coys Silverstone auction, the car was 35-F-14, originally Bernard Collomb's
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Paul,
It is possible that somebody dug out the 35 from somewhere like Kenya or Zambia,but i would be suprised.Brochure description will be interesting.
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you asked on 25th July what the 41X chassis plate said.
I have had a photocopy from the current owner of the plate. It reads
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