The best female driver through the ages - Page 2

Rob29 · 18 Oct 2001, 07:06 (Ref:162367)

Shirley 'Cha Cha' Muldowney You must bwe thinking of.Shelly Anderson has also won in NHRA Top Fuel.
In British club racing Tina Cooper once won the Mini7 championship beating about 50 men!

Valve Bounce · 19 Oct 2001, 10:25 (Ref:162809)

Thanks - you are right. Shirley Muldowney was unbeatable.

Rob29 · 19 Oct 2001, 11:05 (Ref:162822)

To return to the original Q-who was the best racing driver.My vote goes to Elizebeta Junek,who had a very short career,but was the equal of Nuvolari,then the greatest male driver.

Roger Clark · 20 Oct 2001, 19:21 (Ref:163319)

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Originally posted by Rob29
To return to the original Q-who was the best racing driver.My vote goes to Elizebeta Junek,who had a very short career,but was the equal of Nuvolari,then the greatest male driver.

I thought she was good but I didn't think she was that good

Flicker · 21 Oct 2001, 07:31 (Ref:163447)

About Eliska Junkova...

Quote:

I thought she was good but I didn't think she was that good

Roger.

Explain Your thought, please.

Roger Clark · 21 Oct 2001, 07:52 (Ref:163451)

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Originally posted by Flicker
About Eliska Junkova...

Roger.

Explain Your thought, please.

I had never before heard a suggestion that Mme Junek was the equal of Nuvolari.

Rob29 · 21 Oct 2001, 08:20 (Ref:163460)

This was based on a report that she lead him in the Targa Florio,27 or 28? I doubt that we can find anyone still alive that saw those races!

Flicker · 21 Oct 2001, 10:27 (Ref:163484)

Completely agreed with Rob29.

P.S. Targa 6 May 1928. Eliska in the lead after she outrunned Divo and Campari.

Cenek and Eliska...
A couple of months later Cenek was killed at Nurburgring and she completely retired from racing. :-(

WANHER · 22 Oct 2001, 11:41 (Ref:163853)

E Junek was the greatest from the twenties, she outclassed
the male opposition at the Targa, but she ended her career
to early.

Ray Bell · 24 Oct 2001, 00:47 (Ref:164677)

I think I have seen some very small mention of this woman somewhere, but where can I find detailed information?

Darren Galpin · 24 Oct 2001, 07:17 (Ref:164722)

Junek, Elizabeth (CZ)
Married Czech banker Cenek Junek who funded her racing in the 1920s. She ran fourth in th 1927 Targa Florio before her steering broke, and won the 1.5-3 litre class of the German GP at the Nürburgring on her first visit there. Led the 1928 Targa Florio until water pump failure forced her to back off. On returning to the Nürburgring, her husband crashed and was killed, and Elizabeth withdrew from racing, although she returned in the 1960s for one off historic demonstrations.

http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/people/j.html

WANHER · 26 Oct 2001, 09:22 (Ref:165704)

For the targa she recognized the track for
one month an also by foot (12 miles a day)
source D Owen book about targa.

hassan · 9 Apr 2006, 12:57 (Ref:1574550)

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Originally Posted by WANHER

E Junek
Helle Nice
G Stewart
K Petre
L Lombardi
MC Beaumont
M Mouton ...

i love you Wanher,my sweetheart

hassan · 9 Apr 2006, 13:01 (Ref:1574554)

Quote:

Originally Posted by WANHER

For the targa she recognized the track for
one month an also by foot (12 miles a day)
source D Owen book about targa.

i love you wanher

Thundersports · 11 Apr 2006, 23:09 (Ref:1579056)

Sarah Kavangh! Great Pr team but are you joking she has done nothing to suggest she is a top line driver. Her website is always full of her about to do GP2 or Euroboss but nothing ever materialises. I saw Desire Wilson in a terrible state when she climed out of Tim Lee Davey's Porsche 962 at the Brands 1000Km in 1989. The car was running 10th when she took over and her lap times were 4+ seconds slower than Tim and she pulled in after a dozen or so laps exhausted. I have to say I can't see a female driver competing at a higher level than back of the grid in F1 from the current crop.

**John Turner** · 12 Apr 2006, 07:49 (Ref:1579212)

If you are going to include Pat Moss and Michelle Mouton, then surely Sheila Van Damm merits inclusion.

Rob29 · 12 Apr 2006, 08:22 (Ref:1579230)

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Originally Posted by Thundersports

Sarah Kavangh! Great Pr team but are you joking she has done nothing to suggest she is a top line driver. Her website is always full of her about to do GP2 or Euroboss but nothing ever materialises. I saw Desire Wilson in a terrible state when she climed out of Tim Lee Davey's Porsche 962 at the Brands 1000Km in 1989. The car was running 10th when she took over and her lap times were 4+ seconds slower than Tim and she pulled in after a dozen or so laps exhausted. I have to say I can't see a female driver competing at a higher level than back of the grid in F1 from the current crop.

Oh dear! Did you watch the champcar coverage sunday night? Katherine Legge was competitive with drivers who have won previously in the series.
Sarah's site has not been updated for over a year.Her problem has always been lack of money-no doubt due to people with the same atitude as yours?

RTH · 12 Apr 2006, 08:42 (Ref:1579249)

Tina Cooper won the British Mini Seven Championship in 1993 from the front by winning races against a very competitive field of all men, pity she didn't get a chance in a more senior catagory.

Terry O'Neil · 12 Apr 2006, 12:04 (Ref:1579388)

Considering how tough the opposition was in SCCA racing in the 1950s two names jump out.
Dennise McCluggage from the east coast of America, and Ruth Levy from the west coast of America. Great rivals and good friends, betweem them they would give anyone a good run for their money.

Dan Rear · 12 Apr 2006, 13:05 (Ref:1579433)

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Originally Posted by Thundersports

Sarah Kavangh! Great Pr team but are you joking she has done nothing to suggest she is a top line driver. Her website is always full of her about to do GP2 or Euroboss but nothing ever materialises. I saw Desire Wilson in a terrible state when she climed out of Tim Lee Davey's Porsche 962 at the Brands 1000Km in 1989. The car was running 10th when she took over and her lap times were 4+ seconds slower than Tim and she pulled in after a dozen or so laps exhausted. I have to say I can't see a female driver competing at a higher level than back of the grid in F1 from the current crop.

Are you sure about this, for my money Desire was much quicker than TLD.

Seoigh · 12 Apr 2006, 13:05 (Ref:1579434)

Denise McCluggage (1950's-60's)...winner of Monte Carlo Rally and BMC works driver - teammate of Innes Ireland?

Also did a stint in sports cars for Ferrari, though not sure she was 'employed' by the factory at the time.

Rob29 · 12 Apr 2006, 13:36 (Ref:1579455)

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Originally Posted by Dan Rear

Are you sure about this, for my money Desire was much quicker than TLD.

I would agree there.Desire won a sports car endurance race with Alain de Cadenet,who was never F1 material. Maybe she had let her fitness slip by '89? Seems to have given up serious racing soon after that.Now seen in only occasional historic event.

Terry O'Neil · 12 Apr 2006, 15:28 (Ref:1579540)

Dennise didn't drive for Ferrari as a works driver, but did get several rides in Ferrari and OSCA entered by the North American Racing Team - just as good really!!

Rob29 · 12 Apr 2006, 15:39 (Ref:1579546)

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Originally Posted by Terry O'Neil

Dennise didn't drive for Ferrari as a works driver, but did get several rides in Ferrari and OSCA entered by the North American Racing Team - just as good really!!

Yep,was run by the Ferrari agent in New York I believe.In 1964 when Enzo had a falling out with the italian authorities the F1 cars were entered by NART at Watkins Glen & Mexico City and painted blue & white! Othewise the same drivers & mechanics.

Thundersports · 12 Apr 2006, 17:10 (Ref:1579605)

I think lack of money isn't attitude of sponsors against lady racers; more lack of hard results by the afforementioned lady drivers........
Just to clarify the Wilson/TLD post she was 4 seconds of the pace the 2 laps before coming in probarely due to exhaustion.

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