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Old 21 Jun 2018, 11:46 (Ref:3832307)   #5836
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At this point there's too many moving pieces for just about anyone to say except Porsche and Ford. You've got so many issues with entry and marketing fees, freight, staff travel and weekend schedules, actual amount of testing, etc. that I doubt anyone outside could even estimate. Really all we have to go on is Atherton saying it looks too expensive for what they want.

But then again, who knows where any of this actually sits in 3 or 4 years anyways. The manufacturer landscape and the importance of hybrids could easily change wholesale by then, lord knows LMP1 went from expanding to 4 manufacturers to contracting to nearly 0 in that time frame. It's barely worth worrying about, especially compared to how absolutely awful these regulations are to me.
In this article from s365 I think Scott Sharp says the budget for DPI is $6 - 7.5 million this season. So that could be the baseline budget levels DPI are working with.
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Old 21 Jun 2018, 12:07 (Ref:3832312)   #5837
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The rules haven't even been defined yet, there's only been a basic outline of them. Nobody's going to commit before they've gotten clearer details whether they're interested at this point or not.
What... Being part of the meetings doesn't mean committing, but it means OEM gets 1st hand info and gets to make their own proposals. And currently 5 or 6 named OEMs are doing that while GM is not doing.
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Old 21 Jun 2018, 12:12 (Ref:3832317)   #5838
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In this article from s365 I think Scott Sharp says the budget for DPI is $6 - 7.5 million this season. So that could be the baseline budget levels DPI are working with.
Forgot the link...?
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Old 21 Jun 2018, 12:24 (Ref:3832318)   #5839
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Forgot the link...?
http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/c...rd-commitment/

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And now that I think about it, I wonder if that is a 2 car budget?
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Old 21 Jun 2018, 12:52 (Ref:3832323)   #5840
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I think we will know a heck a lot more come the end of the year. Anyone wanting to participate in 2020 will need a car on the drawing board as early as this summer and as late as the end of the year.
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Old 21 Jun 2018, 13:50 (Ref:3832330)   #5841
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So it seems like the current DPi manufacturers are very much against the new hypercar formula. Only Acura were sort of open to it, albeit with even more cost reduction and a "base spec chassis" which could be covered with Acura bodywork.
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Old 21 Jun 2018, 18:10 (Ref:3832365)   #5842
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And now that I think about it, I wonder if that is a 2 car budget?
Wrong link? You said "Scott Sharp says the budget for DPI is $6 - 7.5 million", I'm looking for that part.
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Old 21 Jun 2018, 18:33 (Ref:3832370)   #5843
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Wrong link? You said "Scott Sharp says the budget for DPI is $6 - 7.5 million", I'm looking for that part.
I was looking for it too.
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Old 21 Jun 2018, 18:53 (Ref:3832373)   #5844
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It'd be good to have the source, but I think Joeb is pretty trustworthy so I'll take it

I'd imagine if Sharp is paying $7m then the Cadillac budget may be closer to 8 or so. That's dirt cheap for a top tier prototype class.
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What... Being part of the meetings doesn't mean committing, but it means OEM gets 1st hand info and gets to make their own proposals. And currently 5 or 6 named OEMs are doing that while GM is not doing.

And that makes precisely zero difference. Nobody can begin real work until the rules are finalized, and once they are finalized everyone is working off the same amount of information.
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Wrong link? You said "Scott Sharp says the budget for DPI is $6 - 7.5 million", I'm looking for that part.
I'm interested in as many sources for numbers as possible, myself. I was once told that the Caddy DPi budget is 20-25 mil annually, which is a pretty big discrepancy here(then again, with Nissan we are talking about the one DPi program where the manufacturer is not actually directly involved).
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So it seems like the current DPi manufacturers are very much against the new hypercar formula. Only Acura were sort of open to it, albeit with even more cost reduction and a "base spec chassis" which could be covered with Acura bodywork.

That's not the implication I got form their comments. It felt a lot more like a completely neutral "let's wait and see what the finalized rules say" sort of thing.
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Old 22 Jun 2018, 05:32 (Ref:3832434)   #5848
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Wrong link? You said "Scott Sharp says the budget for DPI is $6 - 7.5 million", I'm looking for that part.
I think he got that from here:
https://racer.com/2018/06/20/dpi-man...e-proposals/2/

"Bottom line, I don’t think there’s anybody in DPi signing up to go spend four or five times what we’re spending now."

However this is Sharp speaking about his own team which is decidedly a privateer effort.
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Old 22 Jun 2018, 16:05 (Ref:3832525)   #5849
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Wrong link? You said "Scott Sharp says the budget for DPI is $6 - 7.5 million", I'm looking for that part.
wow, i guess posting a link was beyond my capabilities yesterday!

I must have copied the link from the wrong tab. I meant to link to the Racer article:

https://racer.com/2018/06/20/dpi-man...e-proposals/2/

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But even then, I think $30 million for one team? Thatís a substantial jump from where a DPi car would be right now. I donít see how thereís any equation there.
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Bottom line, I donít think thereís anybody in DPi signing up to go spend four or five times what weíre spending now.
So i did some math and divided $30 million by "4 or 5" and got the $6-7.5 million budget number
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Old 22 Jun 2018, 18:35 (Ref:3832558)   #5850
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It's a false narrative imo. No one is FORCING them to spend that much. Just like no one forced Audi and Porsche to spend over 100, 200 million. What they're doing in DPi right now is hardly different to what they could do in the future rules. Take a chassis and add unique bodywork to it. Oreca has already said they look forward to doing a car. ByKolles wants to do a car etc. There's no way those guys spend 30 million. When I read articles like that on racer.com I shake my head. They want to go to Le Mans with modified lmp2s? Why don't you go to Le Mans with modified GTP's or whatever the cars will be? I don't feel like the ACO should let them run DPi's unless they want to try their hand in a privateer lmp1 class.
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