Toleman TG280 (and Lola T850 & T860) - Page 6

jondownunder · 12 Oct 2008, 20:51 (Ref:2310493)

I was sorting through some of my photos and that got me wondering, as I was always curious about the Roman I saw at Wiscombe Park in 2006. Bob Penrose was driving - in the programme it's listed as a Roman Mk5 with a DFL engine.

Pic: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cabrinigreen/2934387030/

I've gone through this thread so I gather there are currently 2 Romans, one complete (Roman VJ?) and one a tub (Roman IVH?). Could anyone help with the competition history of this particular Penrose car? From this thread I gather Penrose acquired the car for 2006 from Rob Romeril (who google tells me was active with it in 2002). Am I to assume this car is the Roman VJ, so currently (or as of 2007) owned by John Fellows? Cheers

Steve Wilkinson · 12 Oct 2008, 21:32 (Ref:2310540)

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Originally Posted by jondownunder

I was sorting through some of my photos and that got me wondering, as I was always curious about the Roman I saw at Wiscombe Park in 2006. Bob Penrose was driving - in the programme it's listed as a Roman Mk5 with a DFL engine.

Pic: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cabrinigreen/2934387030/

I've gone through this thread so I gather there are currently 2 Romans, one complete (Roman VJ?) and one a tub (Roman IVH?). Could anyone help with the competition history of this particular Penrose car? From this thread I gather Penrose acquired the car for 2006 from Rob Romeril (who google tells me was active with it in 2002). Am I to assume this car is the Roman VJ, so currently (or as of 2007) owned by John Fellows? Cheers

No the Bob Penrose Roman and the John Fellows car are two different chassis.

The Fellows car is currently for sale less engine whilst the Penrose car is in bits at Steve Owen's OMS factory. Penrose had Steve Owen use the car as a Parts Bin for the OMS that Bob now runs.

driftwood · 13 Oct 2008, 09:21 (Ref:2310941)

fellows car is a ray rowan built toleman used by tony marsh dfl etc

Steve Wilkinson · 13 Oct 2008, 11:09 (Ref:2311069)

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Originally Posted by driftwood

fellows car is a ray rowan built toleman used by tony marsh dfl etc

Ray Rowan driving the John Fellows car in the 60th Anniversary Meeting at Shelsley Walsh.

jondownunder · 13 Oct 2008, 22:47 (Ref:2311692)

Thanks guys, that's perfect. So much information here and still I got the two mixed up! Shame the car is now in bits. Cheers

jondownunder · 13 Oct 2008, 23:44 (Ref:2311716)

Another photo of Roman IVH - http://www.flickr.com/photos/si558/1524062711/

driftwood · 14 Oct 2008, 10:06 (Ref:2312024)

which car is in bits? the Roman Fellows has is complete

Steve Wilkinson · 14 Oct 2008, 10:56 (Ref:2312049)

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Originally Posted by driftwood

which car is in bits? the Roman Fellows has is complete

The John Fellows car is complete less engine whilst the Bob Penrose car is the one in bits.

jondownunder · 14 Oct 2008, 11:46 (Ref:2312088)

Yeah, sorry if my comment following the picture of the Fellows car caused confusion. I meant it's a shame about the Penrose car.

driftwood · 14 Oct 2008, 13:12 (Ref:2312146)

ok im clear now
yes Fellows is putting the judd cv motor from roman into the reynard 93d car he has
how long will it be before there is a classic/ historic hillclimb series for the older cars

Steve Wilkinson · 14 Oct 2008, 14:30 (Ref:2312200)

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Originally Posted by driftwood

ok im clear now
yes Fellows is putting the judd cv motor from roman into the reynard 93d car he has
how long will it be before there is a classic/ historic hillclimb series for the older cars

2009

**ghinzani** · 3 Feb 2009, 02:35 (Ref:2387070)

C8: Zakspeed/Ertl 1980 ...
C9: Works turbo test car 1980Gartner in 81

Did Ertl ever run this car with a turbo Zakspeed engine or is it a myth?
Also does anyone know what became of both of these chassis - Im intrigued to know why they were both the basis for F1 test engine mules.

Dermot Healy · 26 Jan 2010, 12:32 (Ref:2619638)

Filleted cadaver of ex Penrose Roman now admitted to my Care Home for Distressed & Unfashionable Racecars

driftwood · 27 Jan 2010, 23:54 (Ref:2620686)

only 1 roman built and it took more than a day

Nick Harrison · 29 Jan 2010, 17:09 (Ref:2621807)

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Originally Posted by driftwood

only 1 roman built and it took more than a day

Ray built two I thought.

Nick Harrison · 29 Jan 2010, 17:21 (Ref:2621813)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Wilkinson

Ray Rowan driving the John Fellows car in the 60th Anniversary Meeting at Shelsley Walsh.

Centenary of MAC 2001 or SW 2005. 60th would have been 1961 or 1965.

driftwood · 29 Jan 2010, 20:47 (Ref:2621957)

officially only 1 Roman built and still took more than a day
the thing our chum has is a car built later in 94 from some parts RR had left over from the Lola T850 parts
the proper c/ship winning car was toleman parts built car now with John ( ironically spoke to him today still on the buton) and RR drove it couple years ago not been used since & the CV motor will soon be in the 93D John will sprint

Dermot Healy · 30 Jan 2010, 11:43 (Ref:2622204)

Quote:

Originally Posted by driftwood

officially only 1 Roman built and still took more than a day
the thing our chum has is a car built later in 94 from some parts RR had left over from the Lola T850 parts
the proper c/ship winning car was toleman parts built car now with John ( ironically spoke to him today still on the buton) and RR drove it couple years ago not been used since & the CV motor will soon be in the 93D John will sprint

Oh no!. You mean what i've got is NOT the car designed by Roman Polanski and raced by Ayrton Senna. I really should have checked with the Official Authenticator in Brighton before acquiring it or, better still, bought from a reputable dealer like RCW

'Chum' is an affectionate & respectful term......it is, isn't it?

driftwood · 30 Jan 2010, 21:19 (Ref:2622486)

"Chum" is also a dog food and as far as i am aware Polanski and Senna never met!

The Roman is ROwan and toleMAN hence why only 1 Roman was built
the 2nd car is lola not toleman car parts- all from from the horses mouth not the A-Z of race cars by JR Hartley

ASDS · 31 Jan 2010, 13:40 (Ref:2622788)

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Originally Posted by driftwood

officially only 1 Roman built and still took more than a day

[QUOTE=driftwood;2622486The Roman is ROwan and toleMAN hence why only 1 Roman was built
the 2nd car is lola not toleman car parts- all from from the horses mouth not the A-Z of race cars by JR Hartley[/QUOTE]

Really? Maybe you ought to ask Ray why he and his customers always entered them as Romans!

andy97 · 31 Jan 2010, 14:35 (Ref:2622826)

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Originally Posted by driftwood

"
The Roman is ROwan and toleMAN

I think we all new that!

driftwood · 31 Jan 2010, 20:23 (Ref:2623161)

no you presumed everyone knew it!

**ghinzani** · 1 Feb 2010, 09:11 (Ref:2623510)

Ladies please! Lets get back to the important questions - like did Ertl have a turbo F1 test car chassis?

allenbrown · 1 Feb 2010, 10:29 (Ref:2623554)

If only there was a thread somewhere on the Toleman TG280 that would answer such a question...

driftwood · 1 Feb 2010, 10:57 (Ref:2623569)

I am told from somewhere that 1 toleman was a muletta turbo car i think it got the info off an AS article on the cars as 2 chassis didnt race in 1980 and earmarked for f1 engine testing
i have it scanned saved so i will read it later
If you want a copy PM me yr email address
Mr Brown can grovel for it!

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