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14 Mar 2019, 11:44 (Ref:3890411) | #51 | ||
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If they had to go to such lengths, then perhaps the Mondeo should've been the car they went with. |
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I can guarantee you, if the shoe was on the other foot last year, and the 2 Red Bull guys, along with Tim Blanchard and Golding had locked out the front 4 spots, by .7 of a second, that Ryan Story quite literally would have **** the bed, and questions would fairly be asked. When the ZB was being decried as unfair, such a short time ago, Red Bull were winning but not by a large margin, and all the other ZBs were nowhere. Now it is clear as day the Mustang is substantially faster than the other cars, and DJRTP particularly are clearly trying to stage-manage it. I'm a bit surprised the guys up the front didn't sandbag a bit themselves, given the margin they've shown. |
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This was very quickly rectified by the Falcon and Altima being fitted with similarly composite panels ASAP at the next round, which reduced (but not eliminated) the difference in bodywork package weight, which was fair and reasonable. Quote:
You will note there was less than a 1 tenth of a second difference between McLaughlin and Whincup in qualifying. That hardly suggests a substantial difference! |
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14 Mar 2019, 13:07 (Ref:3890422) | #54 | ||
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"it was quoted"
"sources say" The composite panels did absolutely nothing. PRA continued to be a basket case for the year, as did Fabian Coulthard. No Nissans went anywhere either. The cream rose to the top with Scotty Mac, and that was that. |
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However, IMO Supercars should have paid for homologation of Mondeo on behalf of the Ford teams, given that Ford Australia and Ford Performance would not do so, and that the Ford teams needed an updated model. |
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“I just made a mistake. It wasn’t my best lap by any means. I had a really good first sector and half a good second sector. I was lucky to hold on in that sector." Just like Adelaide, the Stangs have enough speed for the driver to make an error and still hold position. |
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14 Mar 2019, 13:13 (Ref:3890425) | #57 | |
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Utter, unfounded conjecture that is not backed by engineering principles.
Saving 7kg from fitting a Commodore-matching composite roof, a part that is very placed very high in the car, is a quantifiable, objective difference that WILL have improved performance. Yet more unfounded conjecture... |
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14 Mar 2019, 13:24 (Ref:3890431) | #58 | ||
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ORLY?
Mostert stuffed it up the escape road twice in R1 in Adelade, only losing 1 spot to another Mustang. In the quali you're referencing, Scotty Mac made an error dropping a few tenths, and still kept ahead of an improving Whincup. They have speed to burn. |
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14 Mar 2019, 17:21 (Ref:3890476) | #59 | ||
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To me the bonnet profile on the Altima and the Mustang look identical and the ZB is the odd one out , the roof profile on the Altima looks lower and smoother than the Mustang , perhaps all lined up together in profile would be a better indicator.
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14 Mar 2019, 21:03 (Ref:3890518) | #62 | |
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They can measure downforce to the extent that they see how much the suspension compresses at speed.
Crude? You bet. |
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14 Mar 2019, 22:07 (Ref:3890532) | #63 | ||
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The question with wind tunnels and CFD is how to validate. And F1 teams do that my straight line running, mostly with other sensors attached to the cars. |
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The fact still remains that DJR/TP won the 2018 title with a car that was as aerodynamic as a brick (relative to the ZB), so it's obvious that once they had equal aero they would be even harder to beat.
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Yep, nailed it Mixer, that's how it works. |
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So we're saying Supercars aero testing is beyond reproach because F1 utilise straight line testing, albeit in conjunction with CFD/wind tunnel/sensors, something Supercars do NOT do during their parity testing? Right...
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15 Mar 2019, 03:58 (Ref:3890580) | #69 | ||
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“They should get on and build a new car,” Dane told Speedcafe.com. “They are running a Falcon which has been out of production for well over 18 months so they need to build a new car. “I hope they do, and they have got the capability to do it, and it would be great to see them do it.” |
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AA: "Mustang parity row erupts"
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Most other teams have silencers around 4kg. It's legal, and exactly the kind of creative rule interpretation I suggested a few pages back. |
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15 Mar 2019, 06:52 (Ref:3890585) | #71 | |||
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With 888 having set the precedent with the ZB Commodore's lightweight bodywork, it is inevitable the Ford teams will have taken the initiative to shave every possible gram out of the Mustang bodywork and this is entirely within the rules as you say. That's merely a job well done and entirely legal within the regulations, and is definitely NOT a parity issue (Commodore and Altima runners are free to redesign and rehomologate their bodywork again, in line with the new precedent). I note that Mixer failed to quote this crucial point: Quote:
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15 Mar 2019, 06:59 (Ref:3890587) | #72 | ||
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Ok so I’m a moron & missed recording qualifying today.. however just caught what looks like the last of Chaz’s Pole lap. Last corner he was well outside the track limits ( yellow line).
Yesterday they were pinging people for it? Can anyone shed any light? |
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15 Mar 2019, 07:04 (Ref:3890589) | #73 | ||
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Keep trolling. Nowhere did I state that I believed this was a significant issue, and I stand by my statement that the composite panels were a smoke screen and had no impact whatsoever on the performance of the teams who complained so bitterly about it.
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Race 3, Mustang 1st through 5th, wonderful stuff!
DJRTP and Tickford really are the class teams of the field, and doing an incredible job! Quote:
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1st five spots in Race 1 for the ponies. The noise is only going to get louder.
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