[Team] Scuderia Alpha Tauri

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Because it was such a cool name and it doesn't necessarily mean they have to go back to be a junior team.

Lol, when did they ever stop being a junior team to RB?

[E.B]

Originally Posted by peebee2

Lol, when did they ever stop being a junior team to RB?

Indeed, and their recent statement re the name change they confirmed the team "will remain fully owned by Red Bull and will continue to be run as a junior team.

"The cooperation with Red Bull Racing will be closer, also in terms of cost cap and synergies."

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by E.B

Indeed, and their recent statement re the name change they confirmed the team "will remain fully owned by Red Bull and will continue to be run as a junior team.

"The cooperation with Red Bull Racing will be closer, also in terms of cost cap and synergies."

The big issue is the effective formalising of using AT budget cap capacity to improve the RBR car…

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by peebee2

The big issue is the effective formalising of using AT budget cap capacity to improve the RBR car…

Yes - there is no masking of the statement "The cooperation with Red Bull Racing will be closer, also in terms of cost cap and synergies."

In effect, is this running with the budget of two teams (2x cost caps) to produce a single car design?

It was an issue for the football teams (RB Leipzig and Red Bull Salzburg) and they were forced to make significant changes in staff at the two clubs before they were allowed to compete in the same tournament(s).

[S griffin]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Minardi please...

Minardi Tauri Rosso?

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

In effect, is this running with the budget of two teams (2x cost caps) to produce a single car design?

That's not allowed. As with the HAAS design office at Ferrari at Marenello, the not-Minardi design office at Red Bull at Milton Keynes has to be entirely separate.

A tour of the HAAS design office at Ferrari Maranello: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chdNBl_LEMY

Of course they can share the Maranello cafeteria and discuss ideas, but transfer of drawings or digital data is strictly prohibited. The wind tunnel has to be cleaned out of data and models each time "HAAS" personnel take it over from "Ferrari" personnel, likewise for the Ferrari simulator (which AlphaTauri and Red Bull likewise already share).

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

That's not allowed. As with the HAAS design office at Ferrari at Marenello, the not-Minardi design office at Red Bull at Milton Keynes has to be entirely separate.

A tour of the HAAS design office at Ferrari Maranello: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chdNBl_LEMY

Of course they can share the Maranello cafeteria and discuss ideas, but transfer of drawings or digital data is strictly prohibited. The wind tunnel has to be cleaned out of data and models each time "HAAS" personnel take it over from "Ferrari" personnel, likewise for the Ferrari simulator (which AlphaTauri and Red Bull likewise already share).

Yeah, nothing ‘not allowed’ ever happens in F1…

(If that was true the cars would be significantly slower…)

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Minardi Tauri Rosso?

Yeah - somehow I can't see entering a team that (roughly) translates to 'Minard's Red Hardship' will go down well.....

[crmalcolm]

Ricciardo is in for de Vries for the rest of the season.

https://twitter.com/F1/status/1678776048513847297?t=nRDin0KNfaHwxGoAAf7a7A&s=19

[chillibowl]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Ricciardo is in for de Vries for the rest of the season.

https://twitter.com/F1/status/167877...GoAAf7a7A&s=19

getting Ric race ready for what is likely to be the eventual, perhaps even imminent(?), replacement of Perez?

[Peter Mallett]

Shame for De Vries I hope he finds a slot, perhaps with a WEC team to re build his confidence. I also hope Danny Ric gets his mojo back.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

getting Ric race ready for what is likely to be the eventual, perhaps even imminent(?), replacement of Perez?

If he replaced Perez, wouldn't he be back where he was with RBR, having to play second fiddle to Verstappen? I think it would be better for him to stay put at AphaTauri.

[chillibowl]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

If he replaced Perez, wouldn't he be back where he was with RBR, having to play second fiddle to Verstappen? I think it would be better for him to stay put at AphaTauri.

no doubt he will be happy that he has been given a chance to get back into the game, but surely his goal has to be getting back into a race winning RB rather than being content to return and stay with Toro Rosso no?

[broadrun96]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

If he replaced Perez, wouldn't he be back where he was with RBR, having to play second fiddle to Verstappen? I think it would be better for him to stay put at AphaTauri.

Better for him but is it better for Red Bull and Marko's ego to keep him in the baby car? Although Perez is hauling in points at a decent rate regardless of his starts

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

no doubt he will be happy that he has been given a chance to get back into the game, but surely his goal has to be getting back into a race winning RB rather than being content to return and stay with Toro Rosso no?

Would RBR want to potentially repeat what happened at Baku?

[Greem]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Would RBR want to potentially repeat what happened at Baku?

Probably not, but everyone who isn't an RBR fanatic would likely think that would be brilliant

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by broadrun96

Better for him but is it better for Red Bull and Marko's ego to keep him in the baby car? Although Perez is hauling in points at a decent rate regardless of his starts

If it avoids a repeat of Baku, then yes it's better for Red Bull.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Greem

Probably not, but everyone who isn't an RBR fanatic would likely think that would be brilliant

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

getting Ric race ready for what is likely to be the eventual, perhaps even imminent(?), replacement of Perez?

Perception is an amazing thing in F1. In the last 2 races, Perez has extended his gap over third place in the championship and is currently on track to do what no RBR driver has ever done - clinch a second place, resulting in a 1-2 for RBR in the championship. Yet, because Marko has ADHD, it seems we continue to talk about how he's absolutely going to be replaced - and the leading candidate is someone who was even worse last time.

[chillibowl]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Would RBR want to potentially repeat what happened at Baku?

one would think they are not worried about that otherwise they would not have re hired him as their 3rd driver this season and now placed him in an AT seat.

[chillibowl]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Perception is an amazing thing in F1. In the last 2 races, Perez has extended his gap over third place in the championship and is currently on track to do what no RBR driver has ever done - clinch a second place, resulting in a 1-2 for RBR in the championship. Yet, because Marko has ADHD, it seems we continue to talk about how he's absolutely going to be replaced - and the leading candidate is someone who was even worse last time.

its a harsh world in RB land for sure.

another take could be guarding against complacency. another could be that Horner and Marko have always been rather ruthless in how they treat their drivers not named Max and regardless of how well Perez does his seat is not guaranteed.

during their last winning period, even Weber only ever got one year long deals (iirc). that 2nd RB seat will always have a lit fire under it.

but also difficult to argue against that philosophy?

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

one would think they are not worried about that otherwise they would not have re hired him as their 3rd driver this season and now placed him in an AT seat.

As 3rd driver for RBR, he was in no direct competition with Verstappen. He is now going to AT, which could potentially put him in direct competition. However, I don't see that happening based on AT's current form so far this season.

[v8supes]

I dont follow F1 all that closely so i cant say if De Vries deserves this or not but i do find it sad that since it was announced that Ricciardo was the third driver for Red Bull, it has seemed inevitable that somebody was going to get the boot for him.

[peebee2]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

no doubt he will be happy that he has been given a chance to get back into the game, but surely his goal has to be getting back into a race winning RB rather than being content to return and stay with Toro Rosso no?

Don’t forget that next year the junior team is going to run the RB car, within the current rules framework, and they’ll need reliable feedback.

This will also give them a steer on whether to persevere with Tsunoda or not.

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Perception is an amazing thing in F1. In the last 2 races, Perez has extended his gap over third place in the championship and is currently on track to do what no RBR driver has ever done - clinch a second place, resulting in a 1-2 for RBR in the championship. Yet, because Marko has ADHD, it seems we continue to talk about how he's absolutely going to be replaced - and the leading candidate is someone who was even worse last time.

This is how I see it. No doubt Perez irritates RBR and I can imagine if they felt they could find a better replacement, they would drop him in a second, but... Perez is getting it done well enough.

As to Daniel Ricciardo, the evil side of me wants to see him be crushed by Yuki. I will try to be a better person and wish him will on his return to having an F1 drive and his new climb back up the grid.

Richard