Group 5 BMW 320's.

[M.Wiik]

Hello! I did some research about my fathers (N-G Wiik) BMW and then I found this site. It's nice to see that these cars still interest people!

[ian beckett]

Hello and welcome to the forum.Is it possible you can add any information about the cars from your part of the world,photos in particular? Thanks Ian.

[Zep]

M. Wiik: We Finnish readers are also waiting for your information about Nicke's cars (635 and maybe Bächi's M1 also). Never gathered enough courage to visit your dad's gas station and ask about those fantastic BMWs.

[M.Wiik]

Have thousands of photos, but the only problem is that I haven't got a scanner...

Nicke's BMW 320 is for sale at Guikas GTC, Marseille FRA. The cars look is restored to what it looked like before Nicke bought it. Link below:

http://www.collection-cars-sales.com...ile.php?id=708

The 635 Schnitzer was owned by Veho and Nicke only drove 4-5 Finnish group A races with it. Haven't got any knowledge about where the car is today.

The last we've heard is that Bächi's Sauber M1 is today at the Sauber Museum (Switzerland?). The previous owner, Kari Mäkelä, has some pics of the car on his companys website (Mäkelä Auto Tuning) www.mat.fi. The M1 pictures are nr. 106 and 120) on the main page. There are also pics of Nicke's 320 (nr. 119).

Zep: Pay a visit, maybe Nicke can help you with your questions.

[helgi]

Hallo! I still trying to get tech info about E21 Gr5. Have anybody smth about rear axle? As I understand there were wishbone, h-m-m, "drilled" arms. Or not? Thanks!!!

[cavvy]

The Ian Grey/Harvey Yap car:
http://forum.italiaauto.net/viewtopi...=22922&start=0

The car also appeared in Western Australia for the Wanneroo 300 in 1984 & 85.

[ian beckett]

Does anyone have pictures of this car as it ran in Australia? Thanks in advance Ian.

[Nordic]

Saw a 320 today, well a brief one anyway of a Jagermister livered car in the showroom of Munich Legands on the Ashdown Forest in the south of England.

Didnt get a chance to stopped but its not something you see every day!

[Alex E]

I am 99% sure Ian Grey never took his 320 to Australia. It was in Malaysia and eventually in Indonesia.
The Gp 5 320 at Minuch Legends is actually a Gp 5 CSL.

Alex

[cavvy]

Wanneroo 300 km
21 October 1984
Race 5: Wanneroo 300 km for Sports Sedans and Street Cars, 125 laps
1 1 Dick Ward/Graham Brown, Mazda 125 laps
2 7 Gordon Mitchell, Alfa Romeo 122 laps
3 47 Brian Smith/Brian Rhodes, Alfa Romeo 121 laps
4 71 Graeme Hooley, Torana 116 laps
5 34 Joe Ricciardo**, Alfa Romeo 115 laps
6 38 Les Verco, Mazda 115 laps
7 30 Warwick Ray, Escort 114 laps
8 53 Greg Johnson, Torana 109 Laps
9 11 Simon Emmerling, BMW 3.0S 107 laps
10 6 Trevor Hine, Lotus Elan 107 laps
11 10 Steve Pretzel, Escort 107 laps
12 43 Peter Wilkinson,. Datsun 106 laps
13 22 Wayne Myers, Escort 105 laps
14 25 Mike Clohessey/Noel de Grussa, Celica 105 laps
15 5 John Harley, Mazda 104 laps
16 8 Ray Ryan/Brian Cull, Celica 103 laps
17 37 Mark Rogers, Mazda 100 laps
18 93 Tim Howton, Mazda 81 laps
19 57 Alan Richards/Bob Goddard, Fiat 131 69 laps
20 32 Mike Vanzetti, Falcon 50 laps

29 Ian Grey/Harvey Yap, BMW 320 80 (DNF)
61 Rob Wilson/Jim Anderson 73 (DNF)
99 Chris Iskov, Mazda 58 (DNF)
89 John Lane/John Best, Anglia 53 (DNF)
23 Doug Jendry/John Sisson, Falcon 50 (DNF)
9 Mike Mettam/Barry Evans, Escort 49 (DNF)
98 Anton Drayton/Peter Gidman, Cortina 44 (DNF)
69 Peter Harper/Geoff Herbert, MGC V8 39 (DNF)
65 Murray Chapman/Doug Jack, Charger 37 (DNF)
86 Ron Cavill/Ray Burrowes, Escort 23 (DNF)
20 Rob Kronenberger, Charger 17 (DNF)
35 Mike Barnes, Torana 16 (DNF)
64 Harry Dutton, Starion 12 (DNF)
27 Neil Potts/Ian Wookey, Corolla 11 (DNF)
33 John Morris/John Eaton, Torana 9 (DNF)
96 Russell West, Camaro 7 (DNF)
80 Rob Ozanne, Mazda 3 (DNF)
45 John Glasson, Capri 1 (DNF)

DNF'd 1985, with Don Bell co driving. The car was not domiciled in Aus.

http://www.terrywalkersplace.com/

It was not unusual for cars from Asia to race in WA e.g Teddy Yip/Henry Lee finished 3rd in the 6 hour race in a Lotus 47.

See if we can get a photo of the car @ Wanneroo.

** FYI, father of Daniel.

[Mark-e21]

Talking of e21's, please can someone help me find details of the rear aero used by TWR on the County Championship cars?

I am putting together a replica and although I have the front spoiler, the rear one eludes me. I am wondering if it bares more than a passing resemblance to a CSL aero?

Any help or photos/diagrams would be much appreciated.

[cavvy]

Originally Posted by ian beckett

Does anyone have pictures of this car as it ran in Australia? Thanks in advance Ian.

They do exist Ian but I need help & the troops are marshalling.

To shortcut go to http://www.speedwest.net/ a great West Aus motorsport site for enthusiasts & ask . The only photo I've ever seen is on that site.

The car was orange with JPS insignia in one of its appearances.

[ian beckett]

Hi Cavvy,I have registered on Speedwest,can you help me find this elusive car? A quick look has shown me that this is quite a big site! Thanks for the work on trying to find other things about the Grey car,Ian.

[Nivola]

Grey ran the BMW here in the west.

Will have to get dad to dig out an image of the beast. (sadly i was 1 and a little bit at the time so have no memories of it other then in slide and B&W film

She was a nice little beast from what I remember.

I think it had more then one trip here.

We also have to remember this was the period of time when Wardy and Basil sent there cars to malaysia. So I think it was a bit of a thank you from Ian.

Ray

[joergracer]

According to a former friend of Ian Grey, in the early days, when he owned the 320, he raced the car in Malaysia, Australia and Indonesia in the mid 80´s. Later he did only local races in Malaysia. In general, information of this period are very rare. Would be nice, if somebody could bring some light into it.

The results on www.terrywalkersplace.com more or less prove, that Ian Grey raced the car in Australia in 1984 and 1985.

Attached is the only picture I found of the car in red with JPS decal, which must have been in 1984.

[jd yort]

Originally Posted by ian beckett

Does anyone have pictures of this car as it ran in Australia? Thanks in advance Ian.

I am pretty sure there was a black and white pick of it in RCN from the Wanneroo 300. I will dig it out for you Ian

[jd yort]

[ian beckett]

Many thanks JD.I know from the Sports Sedan website that you have tremendous knowledge of this category of racing,is it possible you have other pictures of the 318/320's which raced in Australia? Thanks once again,Ian.

[Nivola]

Picture of Grey's BMW is coming out of Kolb Corner. ( Over the back )

[Nordic]

http://speedhunters.com/archive/2011...b-madness.aspx

If you cab bear with this there is a 320 about 3.30 into this vid.

good to see it being used, but maybe not abused!!

[jd yort]

Originally Posted by ian beckett

,is it possible you have other pictures of the 318/320's which raced in Australia? Thanks once again,Ian.

Hi Ian, I dont really have much other than stuff from the usual publications and a couple of races on DVD. There is quite a few good pics over on the SS forum that people have put up and Cavvy who lurks on here recently put up 2 great pics of one of the JPS BMWs at a motorshow + one of the Grey BMW on the Nostalgia forum. I was at a dinner late last year that Jim Richards was speaking at and missed an opportunity to ask him about his time in the Turbo. Would of been interested to hear his thoughts on the car first hand.

2002Turbo who is occasionally on here ended up with the space frame car at the end of its life from Richard Gartner. I dont think he even has much.

[Alex E]

Several people have asked about the glassfibre bodywork for GP 5 cars. I can help with some of it now. Jusy PM me.
Alex.

[Jesper OH]

There's a few short glimpses of a very low line 320 E21 starting from 4:26 in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdF0IijTwIg
Results for the 1983 Suzuka 1000 km can be found here: http://wspr-racing.com/wspr/results/...spc1984.html#3
..telling it was likely a Hong Kong based car.

Jesper

[Don Vito]

Originally Posted by Alex E

No, white cars is ex Schnitzer now in France, Silver / blue car is E21-R1-22 ex BMW Sweden. Alex

Are you 100% sure about that 2nd BMW? Because according to Tuisku Urpiala, he bought that BMW from Jens Winther (Dane), who has bought it from Christer Simonsen and it should have been an ex works car. In that picture the car clearly has swedish stickers so it likely is Simonsen's car.

You can see those two BMWs in here also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGthWRvgQZI

The 3rd, blue, BMW which is racing on that video, is most likely the same as here:
http://personal.inet.fi/surf/mpuumal...ights_91_1.htm

Tuisku sold his car to Helge Snabb who then sold it forward to Saku Vierimaa after getting ex Bächi Opel Manta what must have been before season 1986, since then Tuisku was driving in group A and Snabb allready had the Manta.
I don't have an idea of the livery of the BMW while it was in Snabb's or Vierimaa's garage. From Vierimaa that car found its way to John K. Westman, as did the Vesenterä's car too. Also I can't say for sure which one (ex-Vesenterä or ex-Urpiala) was the car John K raced as "Commodore BMW". I assume it was the one of Vesenterä had.

So now I assume that silver-blue car should be the one which then found its way to Vesenterä's garage sometime late 80s or 1990 at the latest.

[Don Vito]

Originally Posted by Alex E

Kemora pics

The red beast at the front is the IMSA Camaro which Robert Lappalainen brought from USA. It was too much to handle for the 1.5 litre Schnitzer engine. That other BMW seems to be Simonsen and the Camaro at the 4th place is Peter Norlander's. A very powerful and fast car also.