Super Aguri - The new Forti?

Formula1Fanatic · 11 Mar 2006, 17:02 (Ref:1543791)

I don't know too much about the new team although I know it was a kind of rush job getting them on the grid. The reason I say Forti is because they were usually off the pace by a few tenths, seconds but never horribly the pace.

And is the 110% rule true? If so, is Ide in?

F1 insider · 11 Mar 2006, 17:05 (Ref:1543794)

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Originally Posted by Formula1Fanatic

I don't know too much about the new team although I know it was a kind of rush job getting them on the grid. The reason I say Forti is because they were usually off the pace by a few tenths, seconds but never horribly the pace.

And is the 110% rule true? If so, is Ide in?

Yes, Ide is in.

As for your comparison to Forti, well I don't know what reply there is to say really. I suppose though they are connected in that they are both fairly hopeless.

**Adam43** · 11 Mar 2006, 17:24 (Ref:1543800)

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And is the 110% rule true? If so, is Ide in?

The 110% rule is nothing to do with determining the quality of the grid. http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...ghlight=110%25

Generally: It is their first race, with an old car and their new car isn't due for a few weeks. What exactly is expected. Potentially there is more to look forward to for this team than, say, Midland.

ss_collins · 11 Mar 2006, 17:50 (Ref:1543817)

Thats an old nail of a chassis designed for different rules so no - they don't have a chance - and yeah a new forti but they are well funded but! do need some Japanese sponsors.

shambles · 11 Mar 2006, 17:55 (Ref:1543820)

Well; although I do see where your coming from F1Fanatic, I just think it's a real achievement to be where they are. They are likely to improve, and I don't personally believe the team expected any different. After all, to be two seconds off the pace in a 2002-spec chassis, isn't tooooo bad I suppose.

haha, at least they beat Kimi :P

Silk Cut Jaguar · 11 Mar 2006, 18:26 (Ref:1543836)

I think Sato proved his worth by dragging that antique chopshop Arrows to within 2 seconds of the Midland, although maybe that says more about the quality of the M16 than anything else.

I am thankful for Super Aguri though, as it keeps one of my favourite drivers on the grid.

**Spudgun** · 11 Mar 2006, 18:37 (Ref:1543843)

Until they get their new chassis up and running we can't really judge where they're going to be. OK, they won't be the sharp end, but they could spring a surprise.

A bit too early for judgment methinks.

JeremySmith · 11 Mar 2006, 18:41 (Ref:1543845)

I think it is an incredible achievement by Super Aguri..There is loads more to come from this team. you will see..They put this whole team together in ninety days!

ss_collins · 11 Mar 2006, 18:48 (Ref:1543847)

we hear a lot of super achievement - big effort etc. but how much harder have SA members worked than other teams? Sure the cad monkeys have been busy reworking the back of the car to accept a Honda V8 but how different is it from the Rinland design?

Silk Cut Jaguar · 11 Mar 2006, 18:49 (Ref:1543849)

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I think it is an incredible achievement by Super Aguri..There is loads more to come from this team. you will see..They put this whole team together in ninety days!

Exactly. There's some magicians in the backroom staff that's for sure, any team that can produce a race legal car, nab the right personnel and get it all shipped off to a foreign country for a race in such a tiny amount of time deserves some serious kudos.

Silk Cut Jaguar · 11 Mar 2006, 18:54 (Ref:1543853)

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we hear a lot of super achievement - big effort etc. but how much harder have SA members worked than other teams? Sure the cad monkeys have been busy reworking the back of the car to accept a Honda V8 but how different is it from the Rinland design?

Super Aguri didn't have the luxury of jumping in with the infrastructure already in place, F1 teams have their routine off to a fine art when it comes to getting a car prepared and shipped off for a race. Aguri had to aquire the cars, modify them and then make sure everything was go for Bahrain. It's unfair to say they worked harder than any other team I suppose, but it's equally unfair not to recognise the mammoth task they took on and completed successfully in such a short timeframe.

BootsOntheSide · 11 Mar 2006, 19:02 (Ref:1543861)

Super Aguri probably have less staff than any other team as well, so they've had to gel and ensure that everybody is working at the best in a group. As for finances, tehy seem to be well backed and unlikely to go to the wall anytime soon.

If they can get a car to the end of the race tomorrow I'll be delighted for them. If they are unable to beat Midland with the 2005 BAR clone once they have that, then there might be room for criticism, but for now we should be delighted that there are 2 extra cars on the grid, and a drive with many rabid fans in an important F1 market is still on the grid.

Knowlesy · 11 Mar 2006, 19:40 (Ref:1543888)

I think Super Aguri have done rather well.

The team was announced, what, four and a half months ago? And they are in Bahrain, lining up for the race.

Yes, they are spectacularly slow but we have a new team, which is good, and they can only get better in time.

Ide is pants so far though, I must admit.

Sodemo · 11 Mar 2006, 19:42 (Ref:1543890)

This new chassis people mention, what form is this going to come in?

I heard a while back they were going to use a modified 2005 BAR chassis, however I also heard that they plan to build their own chassis in time for April.

What is actually happening?

Knowlesy · 11 Mar 2006, 19:44 (Ref:1543892)

New chassis apparently. Although quite how they intend to get this ready for April is anyone's guess...

Menelaos · 11 Mar 2006, 20:09 (Ref:1543914)

Has anyone noticed that Aguri's drivers are Ide and Sato? They're almost like computer hard discs...........

davyboy · 11 Mar 2006, 20:38 (Ref:1543929)

Fair is fair guys, SA have done an incredible job to get two cars to Bahrain to start tomorrows race having been little more than an idea just a few months ago. Just assembling staff capable of running an F1 team is a feat in itself, let alone brokering engine deals, raising finance and choreographing from Japan.
Let's not forget that in recent years, with the exception of the largest car company in the world [Toyota] who spent years planning and a full year in development, nobody has managed to set up a new F1 team from scratch.
Big up to Aguri, he's probably achieved more in Bahrain today than anyone else.

Nismo · 11 Mar 2006, 20:59 (Ref:1543937)

I wish super aguri all teh luck..I really hope they do well and beat midland.

As for midland I hope they fail dismally! what a dry team...

**touringlegend** · 11 Mar 2006, 21:09 (Ref:1543943)

I'd rather wait and judge them on their new chassis - I suppose they can't blatantly state that they're using a BAR design can they ?

pforrester · 12 Mar 2006, 11:14 (Ref:1545018)

I'm sure I read somewhere they only have 100 staff or something like that! To be within 6-8 seconds of teams with six or seven times that number of staff (and in four year old cars prepared within amatter of months) is frankly astonishing. Although some backing from Honda can't be too much of a hinderance.

ss_collins · 12 Mar 2006, 13:54 (Ref:1545118)

What Aguri have achieved so far is less (or equal to at best) than every other team on the grid. They have not designed or built a car yet, just chopped an old one about a bit and got it running. The real achievement was the business of getting an entry but then all the teams wanted another team (or two) on the grid. And without them there would be no Japanese drivers on the grid and I don't think Honda could stomch that.
100 people is more than HRD had when they designed built and extensivley tested 6 competitive cars in 1999.

Aguri had a ready made HQ, all the original software and parts systems (hell they could even pick up the old e-mails from the arrows days).

Lets wait to see the new car before we all cry - amazing, wonderful, big effort.

I'm not knocking them at all, I like that theres another team on the grid and I like that its Honda powered (I like Honda) but it jars slightly that everyone is carping how amazing the achievement is when we don't cry about how stunning Renualts engine crowd are to have swithched philospohy over the winter to go from 72 to 90 degrees, lose a pair of cylinders and have totally different harmonics to deal with. Or Toyota who had to develop two V8's due to uncertainty over the rules. Or all the other teams efforts to field two cars - don't overlook them either.

av8rirl · 12 Mar 2006, 14:01 (Ref:1545128)

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I'm not knocking them at all

Sam. What a funny way of saying well done!!!

Toyota - 2 different V8 engines.... a few years experience with 2 experienced pilots, loadsa staff and loadsa money!!! And how many more points did they get over SA today?

Osella · 12 Mar 2006, 14:26 (Ref:1545156)

Toyota are having a good attempt at being the new Forti!
as for SA - it says a lot for Honda that they're so keen to be involved, likewise Sato... and I thought when Arrows folded that it looked like a waste of a good car.

Alwaysfirst · 12 Mar 2006, 14:39 (Ref:1545174)

Sat finished 4 laps behind which for a teams first race in a 4 year old chassis isn't that bad. Minardi have been worse in the last couple of years. I expect much improvement as the season goes on.

ss_collins · 12 Mar 2006, 15:37 (Ref:1545210)

Alwaysfirst says what I think is far more accurate - not too bad - but not great either - should be interesting to watch them improve

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