[WEC Race] 2018 6 Hours of Silverstone

[Juntos]

Hope Toyota answers ACO tomorrow by withdrawing both cars for the remaining of the championship, putting an early end to an embarrassing championship.

[Bcarr6]

Originally Posted by Juntos

Hope Toyota answers ACO tomorrow by withdrawing both cars for the remaining of the championship, putting an early end to an embarrassing championship.

You what?

[Articus]

Originally Posted by Gingers4Justice

The news follows the exclusion of the #91 Porsche, 2nd in GTE-Pro.

https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...h-silverstone/

Overall a pretty terrible performance by both Porsche programs in IMSA and WEC this weekend.... This is a weekend to forget. No pace, severe tire degradation, unsportsman-like driving, engine failure, and so on.

[Simmi]

I know rules is rules but f**k sake. The P1 product is already poor enough without tearing up the results post-race.

The worst thing is that it doesn't even matter in the context of the championship or the sport.

I know the privateer teams shot themselves in the foot or just couldn't stay reliable - but you had to laugh with less than an hour gone when all the P1s were either a lap down, out or in the pits.

Ah well at least the weather was half decent today.

[tux]

Originally Posted by Juntos

Hope Toyota answers ACO tomorrow by withdrawing both cars for the remaining of the championship, putting an early end to an embarrassing championship.

Sadly I agree.

[TF110]

Originally Posted by Juntos

Hope Toyota answers ACO tomorrow by withdrawing both cars for the remaining of the championship, putting an early end to an embarrassing championship.

Riiight. That's what they should do right before their home race in Fuji. They should just say screw the ACO and while doing so, the same to the eager 10's of thousands of Japanese fans wanting to see the Le Mans winners. Lets not get carried away here!

I wonder if the resurfacing and the horrible bumps had to do with this. Three cars failing for nearly the same thing having to do with ride height and the effects of it.

[EffectiveSprinkles]

Some people overreact to the weirdest things. They broke the rules, the punishment is exclusion. What's left to discuss? They're probably going to appeal, but if the skid block is too worn then that's really all there is to it.

[skycafe]

Originally Posted by JHamilton

Looks like a nice bit of kit, Greem

SNORT!

[chernaudi]

Unless like Audi at Sebring in 2013 (run to the same ACO skid rules) they can prove that either the bumps on the track did the damage or some other thing that the technical delegate would accept as accidental damage, I don't think that Toyota's appeal would have much to stand on.

Just like with Audi in '16, you break the rule, accidental or not, there's no provision in the regs for an alternative punishment. That being said, I think that the skid block is a stupid rule for these cars. This isn't F1 where the cars run for less than two hours, often on glassy smooth tracks.

At least this isn't the ALMS Miami race in '03 where I'm pretty sure every car that didn't DNF would've been DQ'd if the same rule was applied.

[Articus]

Originally Posted by TF110

Riiight. That's what they should do right before their home race in Fuji. They should just say screw the ACO and while doing so, the same to the eager 10's of thousands of Japanese fans wanting to see the Le Mans winners. Lets not get carried away here!

Toyota doesn't need the WEC to bring their Le Mans Winners to Japan or Fuji for fans.

Not saying they should pack it in, but....

[TheMightyM]

Another ACO race, another exclusion (or three). At the same time, exclusions in IMSA are much rarer. Why the difference? Do WEC and ELMS teams just cheat a lot more (seems unlikely) or does this have to do with how the ACO/WEC are enforcing their rules?

[Bcarr6]

Rules are rules you can’t argue with that, and it’s monumentally petty to expect the ACO to let Toyota off the hook because they are the last remaining factory.

Pretty sure we were all just complaining about how the ACO favour Toyota too much?

If Toyota do anything more than appeal and swear their innocence here they will look like bad losers. They already have a significant speed advantage

[Mike E]

Statement from Toyota

https://www.racingbytmg.com/toyota-g...ing-statement/

[sceptic]

Originally Posted by chernaudi

This isn't F1 where the cars run for less than two hours, often on glassy smooth tracks.

F1 raced on this track six weeks ago. I don't remember anyone getting disqualified.

Originally Posted by Mike E

Statement from Toyota

https://www.racingbytmg.com/toyota-g...ing-statement/

Originally Posted by TMG

The team is now evaluating its next course of action.

Telling your drivers not to run over kerbs is probably a good place to start.

[Akrapovic]

Obviously, a few of us keep making the joke of "it wouldn't be an ACO event without a disqualification", but some appear to have taken that the wrong way. Yeah, it's another ACO event, and yeah it's 3 more high profile disqualifications...but it's not the ACOs fault the cars were illegal. To suggest it's the ACOs fault and Toyota should pack up and go home is ridiculous. It's not the ACOs fault G-Drive messed with a fuel rig, or Rebellion had an illegal car at Spa, etc.

The part has changed since the start of the 2017 season, but it seems new kerbs and bumps at Silverstone exploited a weakness in that part. Rebellion had the same thing and remedied the part, but it's taken longer for it to appear to be an issue for Toyota.

The really sad bit is that the first LMP1 privateer win in this era comes as a result of the works cars being disqualified. It actually puts #3 Rebellion drivers second in the drivers championship and puts Rebellion 3 points behind Toyota (not that it matters much). But it also massively extends the gap to SMP - that's now 28 points.

[Peter Mallett]

I watched the race on the WEC feed and boy was it horrible due to the buffering and the times they got the screens wrong on the laptop. Surely they could be more professional. However, when it was running it was a good race, the GTE scraps were very entertaining.

Can't help but feel that a lot of folks got away with track limit violations, although some did get pinged. Like the overtakes stats.

Overall a good race. And yes if your car doesn't comply, even if it's a small infringement, you must be disqualified.

[XtC24]

Also Toyota No. 7 will be happy with the DSQ as they make up 1 point on 8 for Pole position instead of losing more to No. 8 due to finishing second.

[Maelochs]

Somebody at Rebllion saved up a lot of bribe money for this race.

Originally Posted by Bcarr6

Pretty sure we were all just complaining about how the ACO favour Toyota too much?

If Toyota do anything more than appeal and swear their innocence here they will look like bad losers. They already have a significant speed advantage

Funny in a away ... when else could a championship team have all its cars disqualified and not in any way have its championship hopes affected?

[Maelochs]

Originally Posted by TF110

Riiight. That's what they should do right before their home race in Fuji. They should just say screw the ACO and while doing so, the same to the eager 10's of thousands of Japanese fans wanting to see the Le Mans winners. Lets not get carried away here!

I wonder if the resurfacing and the horrible bumps had to do with this. Three cars failing for nearly the same thing having to do with ride height and the effects of it.

Toyota doesn't need the WEC to bring their Le Mans Winners to Japan or Fuji for fans.

Not saying they should pack it in, but....[/quote] but it would be a lot easier to actually show the fans those cars Winning a Six-Hour Race, if those care indeed participated in such a race.

Fairly sure Toyota fans haven't been waiting all season to see the cars ion a museum display.

Look .... there are an infinitude of things wrong with WEC rules, but if the teams choose to play that game, those are the rules ....

[Maelochs]

Originally Posted by Juntos

Hope Toyota answers ACO tomorrow by withdrawing both cars for the remaining of the championship, putting an early end to an embarrassing championship.

Originally Posted by TF110

Riiight. That's what they should do right before their home race in Fuji. They should just say screw the ACO and while doing so, the same to the eager 10's of thousands of Japanese fans wanting to see the Le Mans winners. Lets not get carried away here! .

Originally Posted by Articus

Toyota doesn't need the WEC to bring their Le Mans Winners to Japan or Fuji for fans.

Not saying they should pack it in, but....

but it would be a lot easier to actually show the fans those cars Winning a Six-Hour Race, if those care indeed participated in such a race.

Fairly sure Toyota fans haven't been waiting all season to see the cars ion a museum display.

Look .... there are an infinitude of things wrong with WEC rules, but if the teams choose to play that game, those are the rules ....

[S griffin]

That was something out of the blue. Seems the only way Toyota can get beaten is for something like this to happen, but it's not the end of the world, just a infringement that had consequences as per the rules

[villeneuve]

It's sad that disqualifications alter a race result, but it's still the only fair way to deal with infringements. I hate it when IndyCar teams pay a few thousand dollars when something on their car was found to be wrong in post-race inspection. I guess NASCAR does it the same way.

Regarding the thing the Toyotas were disqualified for I hate ride height limitations since I first heard of them as a child when they were introduced during the 1994 F1 season. Cars running as low as technically possible look much better and disqualifications like yesterday's wouldn't occur.

[GT6]

Well after announcing that you are shortening next years race to 4 hours and feeling the wave of anger from endurance fans grew how do you divert attention away, yes disqualify the winning cars from this years race and increase the likelyhood that the teams will not bother to turn up next year let alone the fans. a bad day for real fans of endurance car racing. IMHO

[JoeW04]

Race attendance was up 10k this year according to John Dagys notebook. I think enough has been said about changes to next years event, completely baffling

[Akrapovic]

Still baffled at people moaning about the ACO here. The other option is we stop DQ'ing illegal cars, at which point we might as well throw the rule book out.