March 772

Bryan Miller · 1 May 2003, 11:45 (Ref:1856791)

My brother has a March 772 ex N.Z. that is giving us a lot of problems sorting out history and Ken Smith can't seem to assist. Can you, if I give you details??

I believe we have started a new thread.

Armco Bender · 1 May 2003, 21:24 (Ref:1856792)

If Ken Smith cant id it for you it must be a hard one then.I'm sure less than a handful of 77's ever came here.A 772 would be unusual because most of them were 77Bs or 773s with the narrow sidepods that were used here.Does your 772 have the wide F2 sidepods?.The Marches weren't overly sucessfull here against the Chevrons and Ralts.It wasn't until Fabi came here with the 78B in 1979 they won some races.

Chris Townsend · 1 May 2003, 21:42 (Ref:1856793)

I have pretty good histories of 772s in period for the first couple of years of their lives and might be able to throw some light.

Bryan Miller · 4 May 2003, 08:00 (Ref:1856804)

My brother will contact soon re. his March which is 772-5, but in N.Z. was always known as 77B; talk about a can of worms.

Bryan Miller · 7 May 2003, 05:41 (Ref:1856815)

David McKINNEY, is it poss. for you to have a look at another thread March 772-05 please, and see if you can make anything out of it.
Bryan.

Bryan Miller · 19 Jul 2004, 00:41 (Ref:1856864)

My brother Kevin owns what turned out to be the ex. Brett Riley 772/77B .

Neptune · 19 Jul 2004, 23:24 (Ref:1856865)

But didn't Brett run that car in UK. Did he then take it back to NZ after the 77 British Atlantic season?

allenbrown · 25 Aug 2006, 15:11 (Ref:1856965)

This is one for Steve.

From the on the Missing March Sprint and Hillclimb Cars of the 70s thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Wilkinson

I need help in identifying the following MARCH cars:

g) 1978 to 1979 - Ted Williams - March 772/782 - a succession of cars led to this March, where did it come from?

Quote:

Originally Posted by David McKinney

g) Ricardo Zunino 1977

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

Williams' car 772 -6 if F1R to be believed on Zunino's driving it.

This one's a bit tricky as Williams starts the season in his 752; then his upgraded 752/772; then the 772 and quite possibly a 772/782 before the end of the year - although I haven't found the last part yet.

I've tried to pinpoint where he first drives the 772 and Autosport kindly obliges (22 June 1978 p57) with a "first time out in his F2 March" remark. So that would imply that he had been in the 752/772 at Curborough 4 June, not the 772 as it says on BritishSprint.org.

I can't find any reference to it having 782 mods in 1978 so I'm going to change the specification on ORC to 772-Hart 420R for that season.

Edit: Also flicked through 1979 and Autosport keeps calling his mount a 772. I'm be fairly confident then that the 772P that you have for him at Talbenny 16 Sep 1979 would be that same 772-6.

Allen

Steve Wilkinson · 25 Aug 2006, 18:22 (Ref:1856966)

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

This is one for Steve.

From the on the Missing March Sprint and Hillclimb Cars of the 70s thread.

This one's a bit tricky as Williams starts the season in his 752; then his upgraded 752/772; then the 772 and quite possibly a 772/782 before the end of the year - although I haven't found the last part yet.

I've tried to pinpoint where he first drives the 772 and Autosport kindly obliges (22 June 1978 p57) with a "first time out in his F2 March" remark. So that would imply that he had been in the 752/772 at Curborough 4 June, not the 772 as it says on BritishSprint.org.

I can't find any reference to it having 782 mods in 1978 so I'm going to change the specification on ORC to 772-Hart 420R for that season.

Edit: Also flicked through 1979 and Autosport keeps calling his mount a 772. I'm be fairly confident then that the 772P that you have for him at Talbenny 16 Sep 1979 would be that same 772-6.

Allen

Allen, I will have to check back on the Curborough event. In the Black Book it says it is the 752 however it is riddled with inaccuracies. I do have Williams in the 752 at the start of the season. Also at which event in 22 June 1978Autosport is the comment about this being his first time out in the 772?

Finally on my version of the database I have Williams in the 772/782 for the 1979 Talbenny event so I have instigated a cross check between my version and the on-line version.

Thanks.

driftwood · 25 Aug 2006, 18:24 (Ref:1856967)

Why not ask Ted directly? No I do not have a contact for him but he will be in the book, under motorhomes!

Steve Wilkinson · 25 Aug 2006, 18:27 (Ref:1856968)

Quote:

Originally Posted by driftwood

why not ask Ted directly no i do not have a contact for him but he will be in the book under motorhomes!

Your use or is it mis-use of CAPITALS (Sorted - see above! - JT) is quiet tiresome! Reading your posts is a trial in itself.

Are you implying that Ted Williams runs a Motorhome Mechanics business?

allenbrown · 25 Aug 2006, 18:30 (Ref:1856969)

It was a very minor club event - not a RAC round or a BARC.

Steve Wilkinson · 25 Aug 2006, 18:34 (Ref:1856972)

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

It was a very minor club event - not a RAC round or a BARC.

If that is the case then I suspect the reporter may have been inferring that it was the first time at that venue or even the first time he had seen the car!

In the meantime when I have some time to check I will go back to my records and see what I can turn up.

allenbrown · 25 Aug 2006, 18:32 (Ref:1856970)

Steve

Have you ever got anywhere with the Rodney Eyles 772 in 1985? He suddenly appears out of nowhere with a highly competitive car and Autosport says nothing.

Allen

driftwood · 25 Aug 2006, 18:32 (Ref:1856971)

As I tell her, INDOORS- get over it

(Well Steve might, but I won't, so be prepared to get beaten by my editing stick - JT)
Yes, motorhomes; he is in the Bristol area. I had a tel # for him years ago, but that was then, and this is now!

allenbrown · 28 Aug 2006, 19:42 (Ref:1856973)

Ted Williams' March 772

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

I've tried to pinpoint where he first drives the 772 and Autosport kindly obliges (22 June 1978 p57) with a "first time out in his F2 March" remark. So that would imply that he had been in the 752/772 at Curborough 4 June, not the 772 as it says on BritishSprint.org.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Wilkinson

... I suspect the reporter may have been inferring that it was the first time at that venue or even the first time he had seen the car!

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

OK, I'll go look it up again and give you chapter and verse.

It's the Graham Hill Trophy held by the Owen MC at Curborough 18 June 1978. The unnamed reporter refers to Hinley winning in his Lola [T332C] and says "he was given a close run by Ted Williams, out for the first time in his F2 March-Hart". There's no wording anywhere else in the report along the same lines so I'd be confident that he is saying that this is the first time Williams has driven this particular car.

Allen

driftwood · 28 Aug 2006, 20:21 (Ref:1856974)

1. 772 Hart; I assume 420R motor - early cars I do not think ran with 420R

2. Far easier to ask Ted directly as Steve didn't want Rod Eyles tel. no. etc. I will source Ted's# myself

driftwood · 28 Aug 2006, 20:36 (Ref:1856975)

Tel # sorted now, Allen; please get a list of questions that I can put to him

Chris Townsend · 29 Aug 2006, 14:01 (Ref:1856976)

...... just to confuse the thread... one for Steve W. Any information on the 722 run on thie hills by Rob Oldaker and Andy Smith,in the late 70s equipped with an Allegro Turbo engine. I'm surprised they needed the turbo, mildly breathed on the engine should have done the job.

Chris

allenbrown · 30 Aug 2006, 13:04 (Ref:1856977)

A quick March 772 summary as I've been looking at 1977 and I don't think we've done this before. Lawrence's book says eight were built.

772-1 Pierre Maublanc Swiss & European hillclimbs and F2 1977 [F1R]
772-2 Maublanc for Pierre Bardinon F2 (2 races only) 1977 [F1R]
772-3 Norman Dickson G8 and F2 1977 [MN] - then into Scottish libre racing ...
772-4
772-5 Euroracing/March for Giacomelli & Ribeiro F2 1977 [MN] - Sergio Minotti F2 1978 [F1R] ... this plate now on a ex-Riley 77B
772-6 Euroracing/March for Riccardo Zunino F2 1977 [MN] - Ted Williams ["ex-Zunino"] hills and sprints 1978-79 ...
772-7 Euroracing for Pesenti-Rossi & Ghinzani F2 1977 [F1R]
772-8 Euroracing for Alberto Colombo F2 1977 [MN]
Also:
772-10 Gaudenzia Mantova F2 from May 1977 [F1R] although MN call this a 762 in some results. This number also associated with David Franklin's 1978 hillclimb car but I can't track down why we know that.

The missing 772-4 could be the Euroracing customer car that was written off by Flammini at Vallelunga during the winter. However, that is likely to have been rebuilt so maybe it was Max Mamers' highly successful French hillclimb car.

Another question for Adam: do you records add anything to this?

Allen

allenbrown · 14 Sep 2006, 16:21 (Ref:1857005)

A fresh March 772 summary. Lawrence's book says eight were built but Adam has revealed another two built from parts.

772-1 Pierre Maublanc French & European hillclimbs and F2 1977 [F1R] ...
772-2 Maublanc for Pierre Bardinon F2 (2 races only) 1977 [F1R] ...
772-3 Norman Dickson G8 and F2 1977 [MN] - Jimmy Jack 1978 [AF] ...
772-4 Angeliri (Euroracing) for Gaudenzia Mantova F2 1977 (retubbed on monocoque 772-14 after Hockenheim and wore plate '762-6') [AF] ...
772-5 Euroracing/March for Giacomelli & Ribeiro F2 1977 [MN] - Sergio Minotti F2 1978 [F1R] ... this plate now on a ex-Riley 77B
772-6 Euroracing/March for Riccardo Zunino F2 1977 [MN] - Ted Williams hills and sprints 1978-79 [AF] ...
772-7 Euroracing for Pesenti-Rossi & Ghinzani F2 1977 [F1R] ...
772-8 Euroracing for Alberto Colombo F2 1977 [MN] ...
772-9 Built from 762-U1 - Markus Hotz for customer May 1977 ...
772-10 Built using several second hand components. To David Franklin Jan 1978 - Alan Richards 1979-80 ... John Meredith 1982 [AS 8 Apr 1982 p46] ...

1977 - 772s in French hillclimbs

I was somewhat confused by the number of 772s that appear on the French hills before Hotz' car is delivered in May but my vast Eschappement collection explains some of this. The season starts:

Valflaunes 20 Mar 1977 - no 772s (Lapierre in a 762 + 1 742)
Ampus 27 Mar 1977 - Maublanc 1st (Pozet in a 762 + 2 752s and a 742)
Baglos-Sabran 27 Mar 1977 - no 772s (+ 1 742)
Cagnotte 3 Apr 1977 - no 772s (Mamers and Lateste in 762s + 1 742)
Hebecrevon 3 Apr 1977 - Maublanc 2nd (+ 2 742s and one other March)
Chanas 11 Apr 1977 - no 772s (Pozet in a 762)
Tonnerre 17 Apr 1977 - Mamers 2nd, Maublanc 4th, Lapierre 6th (Pozet in a 762 + 3 752s and a 742)

However, Escappement (May 1977 p132) says of the Tonnerre event:

Quote:

Encore auréolé de sa victoire d'Ampus, P. Maublanc disposait de la toute nouvelle March 772 animée par la BMW, tandis que celle de mamers et du vanqueur 75 et 76 Lapierre d'aspect identique etaient des "reconditionnées 77".

In other words, Maublanc's car is new but the Mamers and Lapierre cars are older cars revamped. As they both drove 762s a few weeks before, one assumes they had 762/772s.

Marc Pozet is in the ex-Mieusset 762 by the way.

1978 - 772s in F2

Apart from Minotti's '772-5' [F1R], OASC Racing Team had a '772' for Jerich, Mantova had one at Vallelunga and even at Donington, and a guy called Henning Hagenbauer had one at Hockenheim. A reference in F1R to Dickson in 772-3 is wrong of course - that was his 772P.

Other '772's

Ted Dzierzek in 1981 and Rodney Eyles in 1985.

Anyone got anything to add?

Allen

allenbrown · 11 Jun 2007, 22:16 (Ref:1934457)

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

772-3 Norman Dickson G8 and F2 1977 [MN] - Jimmy Jack 1978 [AF] ...

Other '772's

Ted Dzierzek in 1981

Drifty's been talking to Stuart Lawson and we've moved 772-3 forward. We already know that Jimmy Jack used it mainly for hillclimbs and had it until the end of 1979. At that point the 772, still with its BMW engine, was sold to "guy in Gloucester can't remember his name ... he was a director of Barclay's Bank and used it for Hillclimbs ... he lived on a huge estate and had a whole stable of very expensive old racing cars, I went there and saw his impressive 'Castle'".

Lawson bought it back from this man some time around May 1981 (my estimate) part-exchanging his recently-purchased ex-Hunter March 80A. The 772 now had a Hart engine and Lawson then shared it with Ted Dzierzek through the rest of 1981.

Steve, Ted - remember anyone in Gloucestershire matching that description? Wasn't you was it Ted

Steve Wilkinson · 12 Jun 2007, 12:01 (Ref:1934973)

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Drifty's been talking to Stuart Lawson and we've moved 772-3 forward. We already know that Jimmy Jack used it mainly for hillclimbs and had it until the end of 1979. At that point the 772, still with its BMW engine, was sold to "guy in Gloucester can't remember his name ... he was a director of Barclay's Bank and used it for Hillclimbs ... he lived on a huge estate and had a whole stable of very expensive old racing cars, I went there and saw his impressive 'Castle'".

Lawson bought it back from this man some time around May 1981 (my estimate) part-exchanging his recently-purchased ex-Hunter March 80A. The 772 now had a Hart engine and Lawson then shared it with Ted Dzierzek through the rest of 1981.

Steve, Ted - remember anyone in Gloucestershire matching that description? Wasn't you was it Ted

Tony Brown appeared at Shelsley Walsh in 1981 with a March 80A/81A. The car had white sidepods, dark blue upper bodywork with white/red stripes.

allenbrown · 15 May 2008, 17:53 (Ref:2203303)

Very useful. Fortunately, it largely confirms what we had except for the '772-10' on Mantova's car. Presumably the journo improvised whne he realised he was looking at a 762 plate on a 772.

Allen

Steve Wilkinson · 16 May 2008, 07:13 (Ref:2203704)

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Very useful. Fortunately, it largely confirms what we had except for the '772-10' on Mantova's car. Presumably the journo improvised whne he realised he was looking at a 762 plate on a 772.

Allen

Maybe the 762 was "refreshed" at the March factory and "acquired" a 772 plate in the process?

Funny things tend to happen when Max Mosely is around!

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