March 722 - 732 - 742 - 752

[Chris Townsend]

March 722 with Peter Bloore in 1972
GRD with works in 1973

Chris

[driftwood]

Just checking someone is paying attention!

[Simon Hadfield]

And the Kazato 722 from Gerry Wainwright to Jim Bennet and myself (raced once at Brands superprix) and then to Jim in Colorado. The car was in quite superb condition when it came to us.

[driftwood]

the GRD was floating 2 years ago but went back "home" as no one wanted to buy it
all in original condition since the man himself peddled the car

[allenbrown]

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

Putting together the transcript with what we know of the earlier 732s from magazine observations on a good day...

10: Works Beltoise then Jarier spare. 1974 Brian Lewis for Andy Sutcliffe/Vittorio Brambilla/Maxime Bochet. 1975 Roger Heavens: Antonio Prado. Allegedly sold to France for h/c 1977. For sale on Classic Car website in France in 2003, plate very new, allegedly having been rebuilt as 742 for Depaillier!

Appears in 1976 but I'm having trouble figuring out whose it is. There are six 742s on the French hills in 1976, as well as the 732s and 722s from earlier years!

[Chris Townsend]

Give us a list then!!

Some suggestions
742s
Salomon 13
Chevanne 18 [though quite possibly with plate 17 on it]
Mamers 19

732
Bonnin 5
Ferrier 7 [had this in 1977]
Blatter or another Swiss 13

[allenbrown]

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

Give us a list then!!

I will, I will. I'm compiling a "cast list" of the cars and drivers each season and collating all the ex-s that I can (the ex-Perchaires, ex-Latestes, ex-Maublancs) to make sense of it a bit. Lapierre's 1974 "742" seems to be a 732 by 1975 for example so I need to sort out a few things first.

Oddities such as Chevron B18s and B20s I'm adding to the threads as I find them but Marches are much more complex.

Interested in your 742-19 for Mamers. His car arrives in 1975 and is said to be ex-BP. Is that consistent?

Allen

[Chris Townsend]

Mamer's car is described as ex Paoli by MN in 1975 F2 report and that corresponds to 19 in 1974 observations, so it stacks up well.

Chris

[allenbrown]

This is now the March 722 - 732 - 742 - 752 thread

There are now separate threads for the March 762 and the March 772.

[driftwood]

AS advert 2 Oct 1980
March 742
rolling chassis with 77 bodywork etc
Rolf Halley on an 041 number (Glasgow number)
lineage advert 742/772 roler in horsham days haslemere eve tel no
also ft200 and 1700 bda ads same person

also the simon riley 741 car for sale described as ex stuck car

[Dan Rear]

Drifty, I don't recall 'Rolf Halley'. Vaguely rings a bell tho', perhaps Ralph Halley??? OTOH he did Scottish Prodsaloons in the later 70s. I suspect the car is one of the Barton/Dickson bitza Libre cars from the 70s too.

No idea on the Horsham car, a Sprinter/climber maybe, I can't recall too many Southern based Libre Marches of that era.

[driftwood]

I may have misread/typed Rolf for ralph well what else wouldya expect me to do!!
The Dickenson 772P(U1) car is also advertised 1-3 weeks later for sale
( ironically had email discussion with jack o malley he asked where his old car was!)
Ive no idea who was in the sussex/surrey area with Libre F2 march but i suspect its a sprinting car with the 1700 bda power
thats a steve wilkinson question!!

[Dermot Healy]

Anybody know anything of the origins/parentage/exploits/indignities of March 722/36 & tubs numbered AM72/58 & AM72/87 ....now lurking with me having come from the US.

[Dan Rear]

Originally Posted by driftwood

I may have misread/typed Rolf for ralph well what else wouldya expect me to do!!
The Dickenson 772P(U1) car is also advertised 1-3 weeks later for sale
( ironically had email discussion with jack o malley he asked where his old car was!)
Ive no idea who was in the sussex/surrey area with Libre F2 march but i suspect its a sprinting car with the 1700 bda power
thats a steve wilkinson question!!

Nick Overall rings a bell for a Southern March Libre, anyone ...?? Re the Dickson 772P, Norman D used it in 78, and occasionally hired it in 79. I thought he'd sold it by the end of 79, Stuart Lawson maybe ?

[Chris Townsend]

Dermot, other than that 722-36 was almost certainly an FB car I can offer nothing. However, even the build record, if we had it, would only tell us, probably that it was sold by Joe Grimaldi.

What else do you have with the car?
SCCA log book for part of its history?
Real bodywork rather than replica? Even if you've got 75B series bodywork that these cars were usually updated with that might help.
What's important is perhaps not just the top coat, but the succession of colours back to the gel coat
Scrutineers stickers on the tub? or tubs?

Whereabouts in the US did you get the car from? How long had it been there?

All of this might [and I stress might] help us to get a lead on the car back to some results. American 722s a bit of a mare because there were an awful lot of them and no one noted chassis numbers in use in the way F1R did in Britain with F3 for example. There were at least 19 722s sent to America, probably more, and I can tie three first users to chassis numbers, with one of those probably wrong...

Chris

Chris

[allenbrown]

Nick Overall lived in East Horsley. I have him as racing a Surtees TS8 in 1974 and a Brabham BT36 in 1975. Haven't come across a March yet.

[Dan Rear]

Allen, Steele Dixon Trophy Libre race, Silverstone April 79. Nick Overall is entered in a 'March 772 Cosworth', 1700cc apparently. Non-started tho'. As did Paul Gardner in a '762 Hart' (the Jim Evans car maybe from '78??)

O/T, but in the same race, David Hipperson enters, but non-starts, a Mclaren M10B.

[allenbrown]

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

732-5: Brambilla family, for Ernesto. To Max Bonnin 1974-76

Said by Echappement to be with Jean-Louis Albinet by April 1976 as a "March 742". Are you sure Bonnin still had this in 1976?

[Chris Townsend]

Bonnin DNQ at Hockenheim 11.4.76, Vallelunga 9.5.76, Enna 25.7.76 there were two Brambilla cars, or does Bonnin buy/build another one?

Chris

[allenbrown]

Echappement only says it's an ex-Bonnin 742, not that it's 732-5 of course. Maybe Bonnin acquired both ex-Brambilla cars and sells one on.

Allen

[allenbrown]

Roman

When you talked to Adriano Parlamento, did you ever discuss his March F2 car? He raced in in French hillclimbs in 1975 (when it was called a 742), in 1976 (whne it was called a 732 or a 722) and in 1977 (when it was called a 742 or a 732).

Allen

[Andrew Fellowes]

I 've searched this thread for Mieusset and seen that he had a 742 so I'll add this in the hope I am not repeating what has already been said.


Sport Auto No.128 Setembre 1972

Course De Cote de Chamrousse
1. Mieusset (March 722) en 7' 44" along with a great photo,

[allenbrown]

I'm still struggling to account for all the March 742s in French hillclimbs. The original cars to arrive (March/April 1974) were:

A Blue one - Jimmy Mieusset
A White one - Pierre Maublanc then sold a few weeks later to Philippe Hesnault
A White one - Hervé Bayard
A darker one - Régis Péchaire
An orange one - delivered 20 April to Maublanc replacing his white one.
(also Jean Lapierre had a '742' which was a 732 updated)

Echappement says of Maublanc's new car (following a comment about Martin being sceptical of his chances because his engine was so new)

Pierre Maublanc, possesseur depuis le veille d'une toute nouvelle March 742 orange ne l'etait pas moins. C'est la dernière version de la 742 avec le capot rallongé et plus plat, l'aileron arrière plus en porte-Ã*-faux et une meilleur équilibre des masses avec le radiators d'eau et d'huile sur les côtés. (from Echappement June 1974 p138, report on Tonnerre 21 April 1974).

So he had a 742 that arrived the day before with a longer nose, new wing and side radiators. But it's orange and there are no orange 742s unaccounted for.

Anyone know what sort of changes the factory made to the 742 early in 1974? How important were they to perforrmance and could it have made sense for Maublanc to buy a second car so soon?

Allen

[driftwood]

Jimmy M car was sold at goodwood auction last year restored in 98 with BDG
732 & 742 under the body look the same but front wishbones are different angles but tub uprights etc are the same
rear wing basket and oil tank is different
742 had long and short noses for high speed circuits they fitted the longer nose " Rasta" nose
MRS selling car so soon? was he the agent? maybe sold off a car due to impatient customer "wants"?

[allenbrown]

Yes, I saw it and wasn't at all sure it was the Mieusset car. The history was all wrong after Mieusset as his original 1974/75 car went to Fredy Roland for 1976/77 and nowhere near Roland Solomon.

When did the 742s move from nose rad to side rads? The Hesnault car has a short nose and a water pipe running down the outside of the car. How big a change is it?