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29 Jun 2007, 18:58 (Ref:1949949) | #251 | |
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hi guys could you tell me what site the picture or info are on with the frech supertourisme 635's
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30 Jun 2007, 10:17 (Ref:1950361) | #253 | |
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Pretty sure the year is 1984 when three drivers ran 635's in British Production races...Barry Williams,Albert Mirko and John Clark. Not sure which of these three the photo is of.
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Yes ian I also believe it's 1984 and 'm pretty sure the silver car in this shot is Mirko's (also seen in previous posted images in the thread).
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30 Jun 2007, 10:59 (Ref:1950404) | #256 | |
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Maybe John's was white too then, it just seemed to poke one of my childhood memories, I was only 6 when this was taken, so I could be wrong.
I have to admit I was the page before, I just found two pictures of John L in a mk2 Astra and what was funnier it then jogged my memory of going round Snetterton at one of the BHF days and ramming Martin Carrol's Mercedes Cosworth up the bum down the Revett straight!! I thought it was Barbara Cowell's Astra but seeing these pictures reminded me. |
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Ooops!!!
Off topic. By the way, that pic of Tim Harvey racing your dad, will probably be of great interest to TSA who was asking after the history of the prdsaloon Vitesses at the beginning of the thread. Last edited by chunterer; 30 Jun 2007 at 11:09. |
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30 Jun 2007, 11:17 (Ref:1950417) | #258 | ||
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I have been looking through more of my "635 files" and came up with this car. Unfortunately no chassis number, and you gents may well know of it.
Was for sale in January this year by a German outfit called GS Motorsport. They sent me the following: "BMW 635 CSI Original 1982 Car built by BMW, Works Car, Ex Brun. 1984 and 1985 win this car the 24h Nürburgring 1984 Felder / Bröhling / Peter Oberndorfer BMW 635 CSi 1985 Felder / Hammelmann / Walterscheid-Müller BMW 635 CSi " I'll keep looking for other cars... Cheers! |
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I've found another one as well- (don't think I've posted this link before?)- in a collection of pics of the Nurburgring Museum, (bottom of the page). From the list of drivers' names on the front wing, looks like it's one of the cars campaigned by Seikel Motorsport in the ETCC- think they also ran a Mustang and 1600cc class Audi 80's, as well as at least one 635... http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ga...seum/index.htm |
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30 Jun 2007, 14:26 (Ref:1950539) | #260 | |
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Yes,this car at the Nurburgring museum is the ex-Seikel Motorsport car first raced by them in '85 at the Monza ETCC.The car is ex- Garage du Bac who had raced it in the French championship in'84for Fabien Giroix and at the '84 Spa 24 hours#9.When Seikel first ran it the car still had a Garage du Bac sunstrip on the windscreen and the colours were as the French team had used minus their sponsors lettering(mainly Motul).The drivers names who ran for Seikel are all recorded on the car at the Nurburgring museum.I do not know of a chassis number for the car but think it was originally built by Eggenberger.Garage du Bac also had a car built to the French regulations which Jean-Pierre Malcher had raced in '83 in very similar colours.
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30 Jun 2007, 16:53 (Ref:1950655) | #261 | |
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Great stuff Ian, thanks for that. As that gives us a pretty complete basic history for that car I'll add it to the list with chassis number unknown at present. I see what you mean about Seikel keeping the Garage du Bac colourscheme:
http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-07-29-009.jpg Anyone passing by the 'Ring in the near future like to drop into the museum and check the chassis number for us.... Next instalment of the chassis number summary follows later this evening... |
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1 Jul 2007, 16:42 (Ref:1951515) | #262 | |
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Next instalment of the chassis list- think we're up to RA2/40something...
RA2/44 1984 JPS Team BMW- Bathurst (Hulme/von Bayern) 1985 JPS Team BMW- Jim Richards ATCC Championship winner 1986 Garry Rogers- raced in both JPS and Bob Jane colours July 87-Jan 90: Joe Sommariva. Jan 90- sold to Jim Richards Nov 1993- sold to John Hebron Feb 2005- sold to David Towe 2006- sold to Adrian Brady (thanks to Adrian for the PM giving the dates for the changes of ownership!) RA2/46 1984- Ted Grace/Malcolm Gartlan. Group N car for Barrie Williams 1985- sold to John Morton in NZ by Frank Sytner 1985-97- used as road car for part of this period Rebuilt to Group A spec- currently with Gerry Hodges and for sale 2007 RA2/050 Schnitzer customer car for Manuel Fernandes. 1985-8 Manuel Fernandes: 1985(Brut 33 sponsorship)- Portuguese Champion 1986/7 (Traffic Clothing sponsorship) 1988 (Mustang Clothing sponsorship) |
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1 Jul 2007, 16:56 (Ref:1951529) | #263 | |
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and another 3...
RA2/51 1984 Bavaria Automobiles, France ETCC 1984-6, including 3 appearances at Spa 24 hours Now with Florent Moulin, France http://www.florentmoulin.com RA2/54 1984 Carlos Rodrigues, Portugal 1985 Robert Giannone, Portugal. Damaged by fire at Estoril ETC round 1985. Possibly written off, although might have been rebuilt and raced by Giannone until 87 RA2/55 1985 Schnitzer ETCC (BMW M-Technic) 2nd place Spa 24 hours Goold Motorsport (Australia) for Bathurst 1985 1986 Goold Motorsport/Bob Jane- raced at Sandown, Bathurst & Fuji 1986- Bob Jane Corporation. Still owned in 2007? |
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1 Jul 2007, 17:01 (Ref:1951534) | #264 | |
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RA2/58
1984 Schnitzer (Wurth) Ravaglia/Berger sold to Balcanca, Bulgaria RA2/60 1985 Schnitzer (Original BMW Teile) Spa 24 hours winner 1986 Schnitzer? possibly sold to Finland 2006- under restoration by Alex Elliott RA2/62 1985- red car, listed as supplied to BMW GB.... |
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1 Jul 2007, 17:04 (Ref:1951538) | #265 | |
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JPS Team BMW display car (roadgoing) for sale 2007? RA2/74 1985- Yoshimi Enterprises, Japan RA2/75 1985 Schnitzer (BMW M-Technik) 1986 Garage du Bac, France subsequent owners in Spain now with Ten-tenths member 'vap' 2007 RA2/77 RA2/78 RA2/79 1986 Schnitzer |
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1 Jul 2007, 17:12 (Ref:1951547) | #266 | |
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I think that's everything we've been able to tie up to a chassis number. There are also a few cars for which we've got part-histories, but no chassis number. I've got a couple of these I can post now, and I'll go back through the thread to see if there are any more....
Chassis no. unknown 1984 Garage du Bac, France. French Championship & Spa (Fabien Giroix) 1985 Seikel Motorsport, Germany. raced in ETCC 1985-7 Now in Nurburgring Museum Chassis number unknown (Ian mentioned a chassis number of AF16849) 1984 Brun Motorsport 1985 sold to Rolf Goring 1986/7 Axel Felder Last edited by KA; 1 Jul 2007 at 17:19. |
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http://circuits.skyrock.com/article_553415827.html and I've seen a photo somewhere of a car driven by Anny-Charlotte Verney. I think that came from a French forum, but can't remember where....I'll see if I can find it again |
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Hi KA fantastic job with the chasis no,s. Some more info, chassis no E24 RA1-01 owners names Gavin and Myles Hicks, NZ, the car in the Nurburgring museum is #E24 RA2-38 ex Eggenburger. I looked at it when i was there last year. # E24 RA2-66 is owned by Hugh Tunley NZ. My car #E24 RA2-46 has been restored in grp N spec not A, and is still for sale, Iwould still love any pictures/ photos/ info on my car, when it ran in the UK.
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I have also seen another article (I think it was in BMW Car magazine - I'll try & find it) on chassis # RA2-40. It is still alive & well competing in Germany. Cheers, Gerry |
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2 Jul 2007, 06:02 (Ref:1951994) | #271 | |
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Brilliant stuff- looks like I've got a few updates to do already... I'll add these details and chassis numbers into the list later
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2 Jul 2007, 12:23 (Ref:1952251) | #272 | ||
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Hi KA , just a little correction re chassis 046. It should read "converted to Group N spec" as that is how Whizzo Williams raced it, and how it went to NZ. Still is in GRP N spec...
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Here are my last few entries where I have actual chassis numbers which have not been added yet.1)Mullerbrau team from Germany had BMW Motorsport '83 built car....RA 27/ 2) Schnitzer #7 now in Munich BMW museum. 3) Schnitzer #13 ex Eterna sold to Serge Power in Belgium and then to Michel de DEyne. 4)Schnitzer #31 ex Meisterfoto/Bellof sold to Gubin Motorsport for Volker Strycek (German champ in it in '84). 5)Ralf Goring had ex Brun(AF 16849)in ETCC and hillclimbs. As a final observation the silver Group N car was in fact Albert Mirkos prepared by Colin Davids. Ian.
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Update- added RA1/25, RA1/27
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