March 782

[driftwood]

they look 792 ish for ground efect tunnel or home made specials

[allenbrown]

I thought this thread needed an update. I've based this on Chris's early post plus the later additions:

782P-1 Prototype - won 1977 Donington F2 race- 1978 used for testing

782-1 Ron Dennis [TNF-AF]; [Easter 78 Thruxton: T-car (Hoffman and Cheever)]

2: Toleman Group: Rad Dougall [F1R]; [Easter 78 Thruxton: Dougall] 1979: Paul Smith for UK Atlantic [ex Dougall and number given by AS] Retained to 1981; Tilanus autumn 1981. Retained 2004.

3: Forti - Necchi [TNF-AF];

4: Markus Hotz [TNF-AF];

5: Bob Salisbury [TNF-AF]; [Easter 78 Thruxton: Neve]

6: Alan Docking for Alex Ribiero. Alex Ribiero [TNF-AF]; [Easter 78 Thruxton: Ribiero] 1979 Phil Dowsett [AS & MN 'ex Ribiero']. 1982: Dave Hoban [noted by Jeremy Jackson]

7: Works: Giacomelli 1978 car. Team (works) - Giacomelli [TNF-AF]; [Easter 78 Thruxton: Giacomelli]; [David Franklin 1979 according to Dan but see 782-9]; so to Japan?

8: Works: Surer. Team - Surer [TNF-AF]; [Easter 78 Thruxton: Surer]

9: Works: Winkelhock Team - Winkelhock [TNF-AF]; [Easter 78 Thruxton: Winkelhock]; David Franklin 1981 [AF, so presumably his 1979 car]

10: Salisbury: Bob Salisbury [TNF-AF]; Bernard de Dryver [Easter 78 Thruxton: de Dryver] ; Chris Cramer 1979 [AF]; James Jack 1981 [AF,Mason] ... Germany ... 'znarfg' 2004.

11: Pierre Maublanc; Maublanc [TNF-AF]; [Easter 78 Thruxton: Maublanc]

12: Toleman: Rad Dougall. Toleman - Rad Dougall [TNF-AF]; Retained 1979 for Dougall and Tiff Needell ... Les Edmunds c1989 ... Phil Price c1997 ...

13: Project 4: Ingo Hoffmann; Ron Dennis [TNF-AF]; [Easter 78 Thruxton: Hoffman]

14: Project 4: Eddie Cheever; Ron Dennis [TNF-AF]; [Easter 78 Thruxton: Cheever]. 1979: Dick Bennetts: Eje Elgh in NZ [confirmed by DM] then returned to UK and sold to Charlie Kirkby for UK Atlantic

15: [Easter 78 Thruxton: Zunino]; TNF-AF: Team - Zunino - the following note is added :- "at the end of the season, converted to Formula Atlantic spec by Vince Higgins, working for Teddy Yip. The plan is that it will be raced in Macau by Alan Jones on hire to Teddy Yip. It will then be rented to Murray Taylor for Marc Surer to race in the Tasman series. It will then be sold in New Zealand."; Dave McKinney has in NZ for Teo Fabi then sold to Ken Smith to at least 1982.

16: [Easter 78 Thruxton: Jarier], F1R says Maublanc. Maublanc [TNF-AF] ...

17: Euroracing: Piercarlo Ghinzani; Maublanc [TNF-AF]; [Easter 78 Thruxton: Ghinzani]

18: Astra: Piero Necchi; Forti [TNF-AF]; [Easter 78 Thruxton: Necchi]. 1979: San Remo for Ariel Bakst, replacing car damaged at Thruxton, Pascuale Barberio at Misano

19: San Remo: Alberto Colombo; Pavanello-Colombo [TNF-AF]; [Easter 78 Thruxton: Colombo]. Retained to 1981

20: Benelli: Roberto Marazzi; Pavanello [TNF-AF]; [Easter 78 Thruxton: Marazzi]. 1979 San Remo: Badly damaged by Bakst at Thruxton, perhaps resurrected for Pedersoli in 1980

21: "Pavanello - Ghinzani - Chassis plate altered to read 782 F2/18" [TNF-AF]

22: Markus Hotz [TNF-AF] ... BMW Museum [DM]

23: Brian Henton; Brian Henton [TNF-AF]; [Easter 78 Thruxton: Henton]. Retained 1979 and run as rent a car for Hayje at Zandvoort and Ribiero at Donington ... Evan Boddy (ZA) 1982/83 ...

24: Gerd Bichteler; Hotz - Biechteler [TNF-AF]; 1979: Klaus Waltz; 1980: Walter Raus for Jo Gartner

25: Hotz [TNF-AF]

26: Stephen South; "Stephen South - Oct 78 sold to Alo Lawler" [TNF-AF]; 1979: Adrian Russell; Godfrey Crompton 1979 [AF]; Roger Philpott 1981 [AF]; Roy Lane 1981 [AF]; Norman Galbraith 1982 [AF] ...

27 Le Mans [TNF-AF]

28 Le Mans [TNF-AF]

782-S1 Polifac Show Car [TNF-AF]

PM: 'Prototype modified?' Jack Kallay for Geoff Lees

In 1978 not known

Lehmann: Peter Scharmann/Helmut Bross [April]
Salisbury: James King/Gianfranco Brancatelli [April]
Gerard Pillon [perhaps a Maublanc car] [June]
Vicic [Japan]: Mark Surer [July] and probably Warwick [November]
Racing Team Combat: Hisayoshi Mitsuhashi [July]
Lista: Marcus Hotz [Sept. probably 2h, maybe the Scharmann car]
Fumiyasu Satoh [Sept, prob 2h]
Vicic: Giacomelli [Nov] 1979 Le Mans Co: Gabbiani, JAP GP 'a 782 used last season by Giacomelli'
Speed Star [Japan] Didier Pironi [Nov, prob 2h]

Key for additions: Easter 78 Thruxton = Autosport's report on that race; DM = David, AF = Adam's hillclimb notes; TNF-AF = Adam's post on TNF.

Allen

[fines]

I don't think Hotz would have had a second-hand car, he was the March agent for Switzerland (and Germany?) und usually ran brandnew machinery - will look into it!

[driftwood]

Hotz car would be a car for Freddy ( lista) lienhard to race and ran by hotz

[fines]

Hotz had virtually retired after winning the 1977 Swiss Championship, driving a 762 at first (sold to Gerd Biechteler in May) and then a brandnew 772, which he sold to Fredy Lienhard after securing the title well before the season's end. Lienhard won once in it, but then Hotz reappeared (same car?) for a couple of hillclimbs and Fredy had a new 782 the next year - hm...

Anyway, in '78 Hotz won at Les Rangieres in a LISTA/Buler-sponsored car, presumably Fredy's, but at Dijon in September he appeared "in a car borrowed by Peter Scharmann" - bingo, Allen! Nothing in the Hockenheim report about the identity of Hotz' car, but Locher's is described as ex-Ribeiro!

[driftwood]

Hotz still looks after freddy`s cars today after all these years

[Dan Rear]

Allen, 782-26, the South/Russell car I'm sure goes to Jim Stevenson in 1980 for Libre/Aurora, tho' I don't think he did any of the latter. Where after that I don't know, given the geography, maybe it is the Galbraith one? I'm pretty confident the Salisbury cars, -5 & -10, went to Douglas & Gavin late in 78, and were used by Cramer and Crompton into 79.

[fines]

Correction: the September circuit race of the Swiss Championship was also at Hockenheim in '78, not Dijon - that was '77, the race won by Lienhard.

Fredy L. and Markus Hotz were old buddies going way back - it was Lienhard who bumpstarted Horag (Hotz Racing Arbeitsgemeinschaft) in '68, after HAS (Hotz & Hofstetter Automobile Sulgen) had collapsed due to Hofstetter pulling out. The first batch of the Horag HAS 3 was built in Fredy's basement for a couple of friends.

[Jeremy Jackson]

Re: 782-18 in 1979 - At Enna, both Bakst & Barberio in 782s. F1R records them both as -18.

This was Bakst's final race of the F2 year, so Barberio at Misano for -18 is OK?

I don't have an Autosport/MN report, so was Barberio's -18 at both races, or was Bakst in the usual car at Enna, or is one -20 rebuilt, or...

[IANHEB]

Guys,
RE 782-23 ex Henton.I see from A/S at the end of 1980 that Evan Boddy has a classified ad " March 782/B wanted " and that Henton is advertising 782-23 for sale.Boddy has a London phone number as his contact, although he was resident in ZA.As a) he is now deceased and b) the car was never entered in a ZA F2 race I can't work out when it actually arrived here in ZA.
Does anyone know if this car ran in the UK in 1981 or 82 with another owner before Boddy bought it, or can we assume Boddy did in fact buy it from Henton at the end of 1980 ?.
Thanks
Ian

[driftwood]

re Gailbrath car was he driving 782 for the TV demo when he was killed?
re Douglas & Gavin cars i read AS a while ago circa 1980 with the cars for sale inc photos

[allenbrown]

Originally posted by Dan Rear
Allen, 782-26, the South/Russell car I'm sure goes to Jim Stevenson in 1980 for Libre/Aurora, tho' I don't think he did any of the latter. Where after that I don't know, given the geography, maybe it is the Galbraith one? I'm pretty confident the Salisbury cars, -5 & -10, went to Douglas & Gavin late in 78, and were used by Cramer and Crompton into 79.

My attribution of 782-26 to Crompton is due to a comment in Adam's 1981 hillclimb list which calls Galbraith's 782-26 "ex-Crompton".

Adam - could you check your original notes on this?

Could Crompton have crashed 782-5 during 1980 and bought 782-26 from Stevenson to replace it?

Thanks

Allenm

[allenbrown]

Originally posted by allenbrown
Could Crompton have crashed 782-5 during 1980 and bought 782-26 from Stevenson to replace it?

Crompton destroyed/wrecked/wrote-off his 782 at Fintray 15 June 1980.

But he raced again at Bouley Bay six weeks later in a(nother) 782 before producing a 802 in time for Prescott in September.

Allen

[allenbrown]

OK, I can't figure it out. Crompton appears to have rebuilt his 782/79B but his 802 is ready by August so it's hard to believe he bought another 782 just for a couple of months.

Galbraith's 782P is out during 1980 at the same time as Crompton's 782/79B but is said to have started life as a 742.

Stevenson's 782 appears several times early in the season but goes missing after the 11 May Ingliston race.

So I'm baffled...

[driftwood]

"Galbraith's 782P is out during 1980 at the same time as Crompton's 782/79B but is said to have started life as a 742"

u cant make a 742 into a 782 tubs are different!!

[allenbrown]

"782P" is what he called it. How much it looked like one is anyone's guess.

Ray Rowan also had a 742-BDX in 1979 that was described as a 742/782 in 1980 and 1981, Ted Williams had a "772/782" in 1978 and Richard Ames had a 752/782 in 1981. For some of these guys, I guess the addition of a 782 rear wing may have justified the new name.

However, I think I read in "Northern Lights" at the beginning of the 1980 season that Galbraith's March had been brought up to full 782 specification by Robin Smith - or Robyne Smythe as he may then have been.

Allen

[driftwood]

!"782P" is what he called it. How much it looked like one is anyone's guess."
Its possible that he had fitted 782 bodywork to make it look" modern"- Im sure 1 of our wonderful readers will send in a photo to satiusfy your curiosity !!

"Ray Rowan also had a 742-BDX in 1979 that was described as a 742/782 in 1980 and 1981,
Ted Williams had a "772/782" in 1978 and Richard Ames had a 752/782 in 1981. For some of these guys, I guess the addition of a 782 rear wing may have justified the new name."

I would suggest these guys ( except Rays 742 car) had wide tub cars and easy to "update" the car to 782 body wing spec and maybe they fitted some different uprights and retained the march tub
uprights on march cars are the same from 72-77 for sure maybe even thru to 79 models ( i leave room here for an amendment form another reader to confirm this statement or recify it where necceassary)


However, I think I read in "Northern Lights" at the beginning of the 1980 season that Galbraith's March had been brought up to full 782 specification by Robin Smith - or Robyne Smythe as he may then have been.
Smithy has also been smithy as far as i can recall and at the time in question he was still in Scotland and not wales

[znarfg]

Hello all,
the former Jo Gardner car(782-24) is owned by JB-Racing in Germany.

Does anybody has information about 772-7 , 762-6, 732-084
Many thanks

[Chris Townsend]

732-084 is an interesting number as the build record I've seen only goes to 17. Tell me more! Could it be 732B-4?
732-8 was Colin Vandervell's F2 car.

762-6 was a Project 4 car in 1976, largely driven by Vittorio Brambilla
772-7 was a Euroracing car, alloted to Pesenti-Rossi by F1R.

Chris

[Mackmot]

Andy Barton's selling some random bits on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...e=STRK:MEWA:IT

[driftwood]

all parts sold !!
re732-084
i bet the number is the Arch motors frame number under the rollhoop and we all know there is no cross reference of arch # to chassis nos

[Adam Ferrington]

Allen,

Sorry for not responding earlier to your question re. 782-26, but I've just returned from a week or so in France.

I have dug out the original programmes, which I summarised for the notes I gave to you during the summer.

It IS possible that the "ex Crompton" note which I attributed to Philpott's 782, related to the next car on the entry list.

I'll e-mail you the scans and then you can make up your own mind.

[allenbrown]

Hi Adam

I see what you mean. The comment is ambiguous.



I think it is safest to remove "ex-Crompton" from our history of 782-26. The evidence we have left suggests it goes from Stevenson in 1980 to Philpott in 1981 and thence via Lane to Galbraith.

Then it appears Galbraith's '782P' is a red herring as he appears to replace it with a Chevron B48 in 1981 and then return to the March fold with the proper 782-26 in 1982.

Allen

[Adam Ferrington]

Allen,

Yes, the note is ambiguous.......I probably didn't realise it was going to come under such scrutiny, all those tears ago!

[Dan Rear]

Adam, some really interesting stuff there.

What does your writing say next to the Philpott 782, I can't make it out ! Also the notes next to the Williams 762, is it "ex Turnbull" ?

The Richards ex-Franklin car I presume is a 'real' 772, the ex-Zunino one DF had in 1978 ? The Harvey 792 ex-Henton is the one BH's team ran for Locher and Lopez in 79 is it ?

Finally the Ted Williams RT1 that he was entered in. Where did this car come from do you know ??

Questions, questions !!