March 772P - 778

[Dan Rear]

The 'David' quoted above, who the Seattle guy bought the car from in the UK, could have been David Ward maybe, who was Kim's mate, and who bashed it up in the first place?

[driftwood]

Did Kim bash david afterwards?
can u get this sale to usa confirmed?

[allenbrown]

Autosport 2 Aug 1979 p29 Mallory Aurora report: "David Ward virtually destroyed the ... 772P at Aintree the previous weekend but since then ... the running gear has been rebuilt as a 782 around a newly acquired tub. Mather picked up the chassis unti on Wednesday and worked solidly with his little team through to practice morning to 'finish' the car."

The picture in Autosport and a similar one in MN show a 782. The text above strongly indicates a 782 tub was bought. Neither AS nor MN mention 79B sidepods but they are mentioned by the time of the Donington F2 race.

My list of questions for Mather is growing slightly:
1. Where did the 782 tub come from?
2. Just to make sure - was it a 782 tub?
3. What happened to the damaged 772P tub?
4. What happened to the rebuilt 772P/782/79B at the end of 1979?

[driftwood]

from the foto i have been sent of 772P U2 its NOT 782 tub
its a 712 tub but it does have square tube lower front wishbones

Im afraid Allen we need Mathers fotos and input here of the car before and after the shunt/ rebuild so Dan saddle the horse and off ya go your country needs you

[allenbrown]

Having seen a photo, I would have said it was a 732 or 742 tub, not a 712. I couldn't rule out a 75B/76B/77B tub because I don't yet know how to recognise those.

But you're right that we need Mather's input to move this forward.

[driftwood]

Allen u now have a bunch of tub fotos
im no expert but its not had to tell the differences once its pointed out
712 is flat across the top over pedal area
732 742 has a slope
the Atlantic B cars i think used a cross between the 712 and 742 tubs not sure if it depends on the year and some use 1 type or another
not seen enough to pass further comment

Also now having looked at 772Pu1 car fotos the front lower wishbones are square tubed not round as found on earlier cars

[allenbrown]

While looking at 1979 Autosports, I found the "ex-Giacomelli works car" 772P being advertised from an 0744 number (4 Oct p68). I assumed this was Dickson as he had the ex-Giaco car but when I checked a list of old dialing codes, 0744 was Billinge, Marshall's Cross and St.Helens. Where was Mather from again?

[driftwood]

Dickson did have Jack o malley car 772p U1

[allenbrown]

Exactly. So why was it being advertised from St Helens?

[driftwood]

IF it was Kim maybe he thought he had the jackomalley car its often an easy mistake people make that they had "works" car and could assume (or take poetic licence to use) the more famous driver had the car
Im reminded of 782 #9 as o mally car when its in fact vinklehocks
i do in fact do this with my own car
I tell everyone the famous driver its far easier the acknowledge the name and no one can dispute it with me and yes i can sleep at night!

[Dan Rear]

Chaps, Kim was and is in Haydock. He does have an 01744 code no still. The chap selling the 772P-U1 (Ex Bruno/Dickson) was, I think, Colin Bennett who lived nearby. Kim was an acquaintance of Bennett's as was Alo Lawler, Bennett of course ran Dickson's cars at this time.

[allenbrown]

Double ******! All Kim's posts have gone missing too.

[driftwood]

Mr Turner
i thought i was going mad and my 4 postings 1 very long and useful have disappeared
I asked allen if i had imagined our postings but someone has stolen them

we should have 2 more pages for the 10 and 11 june
AB had 5 Kim had 2 or 3 i had a few

[Dan Rear]

Oh s--t!!! I've emailed Kim to say his posts may have gone missing, was there good stuff in them?

[allenbrown]

Kim explained the 772P with its 783 tub and 782/79B bits and told us Jim Evans sold it for him to a hillclimber. He said more, but I can't recall it all.

John - should we consider yesterday lost or are people still working to recover those posts?

[allenbrown]

Anyone noticed that if you type the word ******, 10 Tenths automatically changes it to a row of asterisks? Same with ****, ****, **** and ****.

I used all these words (and ******) when I realised we'd lost those posts.

[driftwood]

oh **** what the **** can we do now

[driftwood]

Dan effectively it was crucial info relating to the 2x 772 cars that Norman dickson raced owned by stuart lawson and others in bobby scotland with some questions to be answered about car ownership with missing names etc
plus the Mather 783/2 772P and the 3rd Bloore built car !!

[hotprops]

Hi there again I have just spent some time doing this all again seem to have lost it is there a limit to the posts
Kim

[hotprops]

Try again In 1979 I ran the x P Mcgarrity 772 P u2 first witha BMW engine Then later with a BDG the car was also used by the late David Ward for libre half way through the season David badly damaged the car at Aintree
As there was no P car parts quickly available the car was rebuilt into secondhand parts mostly fom J Price who ran the unipart f3 team .
most parts just fitted rear end mounts are the same and apart from some front wishbones and bodywork all parts transfered the car had 782 side pods not 792 .At the end of the season the car was sold through Jim Evans I think to a hilclimber dont know who Jim helped with parts and things to keep us going I probably put the chassis plate on the newcar also my cockpit ended up in Scandinavia on a 772 wide body tub probably Jim took the lot and sold them off Dicksons Cars & 772P was run from my garage by C Bennet that is why the car was advertised in St Helens .
can I upload photo's on here ?
Kim

[allenbrown]

Kim

One thing you said last time (if I remember it right) was that you based the rebuild around a 783 tub. Is that right?

Allen

[hotprops]

yes it was an f3 tub might have been mansels ! they took them off when they began to flex making chassis adjustment impossible I did not know at the time . the f2 tubs and f3 tubs are the same except for outer deformables etc added on been like that all through the march range except for 772 wide body same as f1 design.

[driftwood]

do i have to try to recall what info i added !!

OK here goes
772P u2 now has 783 tub fitted with 772P u2 suspension and gearbox rear end a simple fitting to the tub
i questioned the fitting of the 772 pick up points fitting exactly to the 78 tub but Kim said it was a straight bolt on task no fiddling around but I now notice u said front wishbones where not used from 772P car

what did u use then? 783 or make some up?

the front wishbones are square tube construction from 77 onwards not the traditional round tube from 71-76 or Atlantic cars
So Kim sells the car circa end of 1980? Via Jim Evans to the unknown Hillclimber
I think u did hint an area he lived in (guessing Leeds/ Yorkshire? Poss Bill Woods?) and that’s the last you know of the car until it pops up 3 years ago in Canada

[driftwood]

Next point raised was the "other " 772P car that was in Scotland
I happened upon an advert for parts for sale from Stuart Lawson ( i bought the parts not for yr sake cos they were useful !! ) and asked many questions about his cars
he advises as follows

From memory, I bought my 772p in the winter of '79 from Tony Westwood........sold it at the end of '80 to a Terry Garvald from Jersey, to Hillclimb.That car had a Hart in it, I don't know the chassis number. Allen Brown said this is the car bult by peter Bloore and sold to Godfrey Compton- 1 assumes from a pile of parts from the March factory

I sold that car to buy a March 80A from Bernie Hunter in Atlantic trim.......ground effects car, that didn't appear to have much ground effect.
The I part exchanged the 80A for the 772....now that was the ex Dickson car (not the 'P' car) Dickson sold it to Jimmy Jack from Elvanton up in the north of Scotland.
He used it for a year or so then sold it to a guy in Gloucester can't remember his name....he was a director of Barclay's Bank and used it for Hillclimbs....he lived on a huge estate and had a whole stable of very expensive old racing cars, I went there and saw his impressive 'Castle'

I do have pictures of both of these cars, as well as one of George Mcmillans 772p......I will send you them I know have them I hope AB can post them for u guys

In the course of my discussions with Stuart ( sent to AB for comments) we established that
1 Norman Dickson raced both a March 772 ( wide tub car) and later the 772P U1 ( narrow tub car) both run by Colin Bennet Racing
2 Stuart raced the 772 car at Ingliston and he shared the car with Ted Dzierzec who raced the car at Knockhill in 1981
3 Jimmy Jack had the 772 car(1979/80) and George McMillan had the 772P U1 car later for racing/hillclimbs 81 - am i correct in saying J Jack also raced both these cars at 1 time ?

So we need to know who the man in Gloucester is so any ideas?
AB posted a comment that New Brighton speed event had S.Billington?? in a march 772

Now i think we have posted the relevent info to get back to where it was middinght sunday night but most of you guys where tucked up in bed and never got he notifications of new posts/info

[allenbrown]

S Billington had a 772P. Well remembered Drifty.

Jimmy Jack only had the 772, not the 772P and only had it until the end of 1979. The 772P went from Dickson to McMillan and he still had it in 1981.