New NZV8 2019-20

[GHOGH]

Ended up with a cross of the supercar albins transaxle, the tlx/ production V8 - LS3 V8 and the Super Tourers chassis/ space frame builder. And the current Supercar shift into the 2 door American V8 muscle car silhouette.

http://nzv8touringcars.co.nz/next-ge...GWCM5wM-k6WxB0

[Umai Naa]

Will it be sustainable?

The current V8 situation over there doesn't look to be.

[BackSeat Driver]

With TCR on the horizon this seems a big gamble to me.
Do you think MSNZ has invested any coin into this development?

[20b]

Originally Posted by BackSeat Driver

With TCR on the horizon this seems a big gamble to me.
Do you think MSNZ has invested any coin into this development?

MotorSport New Zealand are definitely not throwing money at the development of this new car. They've already copped enough flak in the last 10 years after the V8ST vs NZV8 debacle.

I can't imagine we'll see many people buying these new cars, there's certainly more interest in TCR at the moment. There's something like eight or nine TCR cars in the country now so the pendulum is swinging.

[GHOGH]

There are a few car racers in NZ with the deep pockets/ sponsorships to run these cars. They tend to prefer the rear wheel drive race cars rather than a tin can front wheel drive.

The question is how many of the few adopt the new spec NZV8 and at what rate they purchase the cars and then pass them on to teams with smaller financials.

The spaceframes are different in the way they are repaired compared to the steel shell TCRs. So spaceframes have better appeal to some teams.

Racers are gamblers by the very nature of the sport. Any vehicle can be turned into scrap. If the V8's cannot stand alone, they can be part of the NZGT series etc, so not a total loss. https://www.gtrnz.co.nz/

[20b]

Originally Posted by GHOGH

Racers are gamblers by the very nature of the sport. Any vehicle can be turned into scrap. If the V8's cannot stand alone, they can be part of the NZGT series etc, so not a total loss. https://www.gtrnz.co.nz/

That's entirely the problem you've got right now though. Most of the V8 SuperTourers have ended up competing heavily modified in the North or South Island endurance championships or in GTRNZ. To say it's not a total loss totally wrong because the "top" level cars aren't competing in the national championship and that's a real shame. If they build these new cars and they just get plonked in GTRNZ then BNT V8s will die out.

[Goat Boy]

Hi All, been a long time since I've been here! I am well out of the loop, can someone enlighten me as to what are TCR cars?

I agree with the sentiments above, car looks very nice but I can't see many of them being sold.

[20b]

Originally Posted by Goat Boy

Hi All, been a long time since I've been here! I am well out of the loop, can someone enlighten me as to what are TCR cars?

I agree with the sentiments above, car looks very nice but I can't see many of them being sold.

TCR is a production based touring car championship (literally stands for Touring Car Racing). First started around 2014 and there are a lot of sanctioned series around the world, Australia just started theirs this year. Think of it like GT3 racing but for lower cost production cars like the Volkswagen Golf and Audi RS3.

TCR New Zealand will start next year and will probably run with Speed Works Events, so it will run on the same billing as the Toyota Racing Series and BNT V8s.

TCR cars cost anywhere between 100k to 250k NZD depending on new/used and age. Cars use Balance of Performance so that any car can be competitive, but some cars are inherently better than others in some areas, not too different from GT3 racing either.

The new BNT V8 thing will probably cost upwards of $270,000 NZD inc GST and freight. That's not including spares and new equipment.

[rich07]

Was having a look at this last night and thought this would be a good direction for the Australian Supercars series. Would be a heck of a lot cheaper.

[Mark Petch]

Originally Posted by rich07

Was having a look at this last night and thought this would be a good direction for the Australian Supercars series. Would be a heck of a lot cheaper.

Rich07 the Australian race fan believes, just like the vast bulk of US race fans, is that the engine DNA is sacrosanct, end of story.

It's ironic that it's that same fanatical engine DNA belief that also lead to the split in the NZV8 ranks back in 2012.

Andrew Mckenzie, a dyed in the wool Ford fan, and the then Chairman of NZV8's was so upset with the V8 Supertourer one control engine [ls7] philosophy, that he decided to finance the Mitchell MX NZV8 prototype.

Perhaps its because there are now no longer any Ford engined Class1 New Zealand V8 Touring Cars running in the BNTV8 Series, that the organiser are proposing a one make GM Ls engine Silhouette car.

[Tourer]

Interesting that they're going the way they are with the new regs.

I would have thought that TA2 might have been a better path - certainly MUCH cheaper to buy and maintain, same car models as the new NZ regs (although a bit more radical looking as far as I can tell). TA2 is also run in Australia, Asia & the USA so there are markets existing for 2nd hand cars plus opportunities to compete in those series at some stage.

[Mark Petch]

Originally Posted by Tourer

Interesting that they're going the way they are with the new regs.

I would have thought that TA2 might have been a better path - certainly MUCH cheaper to buy and maintain, same car models as the new NZ regs (although a bit more radical looking as far as I can tell). TA2 is also run in Australia, Asia & the USA so there are markets existing for 2nd hand cars plus opportunities to compete in those series at some stage.

I totally agree "Tourer" not to mention TA2 is also the Premier Category in Denmark, Sweden, and Norway.

TA2 makes sense because they are fast, make the right noise, look great, affordable to purchase, maintain and run, and have what the stockbrokers call "liquidity"

Its interesting to note, that no one has put their hand up to buy one of these proposed Gen2 NZV8's.

[holden151]

Originally Posted by Mark Petch

I totally agree "Tourer" not to mention TA2 is also the Premier Category in Denmark, Sweden, and Norway.

TA2 makes sense because they are fast, make the right noise, look great, affordable to purchase, maintain and run, and have what the stockbrokers call "liquidity"

Its interesting to note, that no one has put their hand up to buy one of these proposed Gen2 NZV8's.

well if they do Foggy will buy them a beer!

Must be a real kick in the guts Mark after all the fighting and money wasted we are going to end up back where we started in 2011/12 except now all the interested parties have been burnt and no one wants a category with no brand relevance

[GHOGH]

The situation could be that the TCR is pushed aside by the E-TCR cars after a few years.

https://electric-tcr.com/en/newsetcr...ck-off-in-2020

NZ market - the street mustang and camaro are available in right hand drive in NZ

Mitchells already did the race-mustang GT-X
https://www.velocitynews.co.nz/paul-...-tops-practice

The spec of the TA2 looks fairly basic with 4 speed trans, 5 nut hubs etc. Exchange rate is nz$183K untransported.
https://howeracing.com/media/wysiwyg...dQuestions.pdf

The V8 rear wheel drive space frames might have numbers only as dirt track race cars in NZ one day. A dirt racer can usually get a new dirt track bulldozed somewhere else when the nimbys and councils move the dirt trackers on. http://www.hypermacracing.com/history.htm

[Umai Naa]

With close to 850 internal combustion-powered TCR cars in existence, e-TCR isn't going to overthrow them any time soon. It'll merely be a sideshow.

With what WSC are proposing with motors and battery packs, I don't believe the cars will be easily converted from one to the other.