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Old 25 Jan 2005, 03:37 (Ref:1209165)   #46
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Tony sold the VK Group A and built his VK AUSCAR out of a road car.
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Old 25 Jan 2005, 03:52 (Ref:1209168)   #47
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I always thought that the Brock 05 VK from 1985( the one they kicked the screens out of) was then converted to the Harvey #3 car for 1986 and then became the # 6 VK in 1987, Due to Brock/Moffat 05 being writen off by Scott in 1987 # 6 VK was then updated to VL spec and campained the Sandown 500 with Crompton and Crooke due to the VL # 10 that later won Bathurst not being back from O/S.

Sandown 87 # 6 VK/VL then ended up in WA and came back to melbourne many years ago sporting a Pink and Black paint scheme and Walkinshaw body kit and is owned by the same person as the Rothmans VL and awaiting resto, i was led to believe that this was Chassis # 13.

I also remember that at the Jagparts auction in the early 90's that there was a VK shell sitting outside with a very bent front end did have the distinctive HDT roll cage design and as i can personally account for the whereabouts of the majority of the HDT customer Built cars and shells it would possibly make sence that it may have been the Brock/Moffat shell.


In '85 didn't Gerald Kay (of Jagparts fame) order a customer VK from HDT??? At the time there were many grumbles as all the paying customers coudn't get a hold of the 5 speed Getrag 'boxes (homologated with the 4.9 litre - less min. weight) & had to use the earlier spec 4 speed (homologated with 5.0 litre, therefore over the 4999cc weight limit)

Also, wasn't the French/Grant '85 car, (became the '86 Dulux car) HDT built?
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Old 25 Jan 2005, 04:54 (Ref:1209181)   #48
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HDT Customer cars included:

Gerald Kay Jagparts car ( car is still as it left the track after its last race in 1989)

Ray Smith Auckland coin bullion car, later sold to Graeme Crosby last Group A race 1988 had various drivers for a few rounds after Crosby sold it in 1987
car restored in 1993 to the Bob Jane T-marts colours of Croz in 1986 and now being prepared for Historics.

Alf Grant car was written off in the fire ball crash at lakeside 89 i think.


The Steve Masterton VK was also a joint HDT and Pat Percel built car ( car still exists in NSW and has been running in Group C/A meetings


The Tony Mulvihill car was also meant to be a HDT Chassis.

Of the cars mentioned the Gerald Kay, Ray Smith and Alf Grant cars all had the identical roll cages to the Mobil Cars the Jagparts car had later additions of front stut bracing same as the Roadways built cars.

The Graham Moore car was the ex 1985 # 7 VK i believe this car is now in the Brock/Moffat colors with the full 1986 Color scheme and Body kit and is owned by a well known Brock collector in Queensland.


Does any body know what the history is with the NZ Greater finance VK with the alloy cage that Brock ran in NZ in early 85?
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Old 25 Jan 2005, 05:28 (Ref:1209196)   #49
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Alf Grant car was written off in the fire ball crash at lakeside 89 i think.
The crash at the ATCC meeting that year? The only Commodore involved in that was the Lusty VL they built themselves, and then there was Terry Finnigan's VL that went in at the kink earlier in the week, but that was built by Terry.

AFAIK, the Alf Grant car went to Craig Kinmonth in 1988, and was used by Kinmonth at the final AMSCAR round and at Bathurst, where the car was involved in a practice accident with Larry Perkins and Tony Kavich's parked VL and subsequently didn't qualify. For some reason, I keep linking Rick Scarf with this VK for 1989, or was his car the ex-Moore HDT car?
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Old 25 Jan 2005, 06:26 (Ref:1209217)   #50
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I thought I had read that the Auckland Gold Bullion car first run by Ray Smith (later campagined by Graeme Crosby after a heap of livery changes) was a Larry Perkins car... maybe he freshened it at the end of 1985...
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Old 25 Jan 2005, 07:11 (Ref:1209231)   #51
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The crash at the ATCC meeting that year? The only Commodore involved in that was the Lusty VL they built themselves, and then there was Terry Finnigan's VL that went in at the kink earlier in the week, but that was built by Terry.
There were two massive crahes at the one meeting at Lakeside, as well as a pretty speccy effort by a Proddie driver (Maybe in a Commodore as well?) in the support races.
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Old 25 Jan 2005, 07:40 (Ref:1209239)   #52
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The Rick Scarf car was the G Moore HDT car and the coin and bullion car of Ray Smiths was a HDT car, in actuall fact HDT were late in finishing the car off so Ray Smith had Co Driver (Denny Hulme) old F1 crew finish the build.
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Old 25 Jan 2005, 09:36 (Ref:1209313)   #53
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Ray Smiths car (then Crosby) was Perkins built is my info. It is currently at Les Small's getting an engine rebuild.

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Did the Crosby car run Momo or Dymag wheels? LP used to use (recommend) Dymag wheels.
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Old 25 Jan 2005, 11:08 (Ref:1209381)   #55
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The Crosby car ran 16 x 10 MOMO wheels same as the Mobil cars infact it was the only HDT customer car to have the 5 stud MOMO's as the Jagparts and Alf Grant car both ran centre lock BBS wheels, Larry did build some motors for Croz back in 86.

I did hear that the car was down at Les Small's at the moment i also heard a whisper that the Roadways VK Group C was also down there waiting a restoration back to it's former glory.
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Ray Smiths car (then Crosby) was Perkins built is my info. It is currently at Les Small's getting an engine rebuild.
I read that in the 85 Bathurst book too, that it was Perkins-built. That said, could the car have been built at HDT whilst Perkins was still there? Although, even if that were the case it seems odd to refer to the car as being Perkins-built. I take it the car doesn't have a PE chassis number, seeing as it pre-dates Perkins' customer-car business.
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Old 25 Jan 2005, 13:32 (Ref:1209524)   #57
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WD Jr, I guess it would have been hard (but not impossible) for LP to build the car ex-HDT as I think he left HDT in July 1985 but I don't know how long he "had off" before he joined DJR.
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Old 25 Jan 2005, 20:24 (Ref:1209814)   #58
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If chassis 1 - 7 were Group Cs and 15-17 VLs, presumably there were 7
HDT VKs built in 85/86.

The 1st Group A VK was debuted by Brock and Perkins in New Zealand in
January 85, albeit in the livery of a finance company. A 2nd VK was built for John
Harvey and was debuted by Brock at the Surfers Paradise round of the ATCC
as # 7.

For 86 there were 2 VKs for the ATCC. # 3 was driven throughout the
series by Harvey and 05 by Brock or when there was a clash with the ETCC
program, Neal Lowe. Whether these were new cars or the 85 cars I am
not sure.

For the ETCC campaign a brand new VK was built for Brock and Moffat to
race. A second VK was entered at the Spa 24 Hour as # 6 for Lowe /
Kent Baigent / Graham Bowkett, but whether this was one of the ATCC cars
or another chassis I am not sure. I recall that at one round (possibly
the Silverstone TT) John Cleland drove the HDT VK as # 41, possibly
because this clashed with the Sandown 500.

During 86 one of the 85 chassis was sold to Graham Moore who raced it
at Bathurst with Michel Delcourt in 86 and 87.

Presumably HDT only had access to 2 chassis at Bathurst in 86 as they
elected to repair 05 after it was severely damaged in Friday practice,
rather than go to a spare when such practice was allowed. This would
also explain why after Scott wrote off chassis 14 at Lakeside, Brock moved to 6 and
no second car appeared until VL chassis 16 debuted.
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Old 26 Jan 2005, 01:18 (Ref:1210031)   #59
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I recall that at one round (possibly
the Silverstone TT) John Cleland drove the HDT VK as # 41, possibly
because this clashed with the Sandown 500.
Yes, John Cleland drove with Vince Woodman at the '86 TT at Silverstone, as #39. The car was backed by Mobil, but with no 'Holden Dealer Team' stickers on it.

The race didn't clash with the Sandown 500 because Allan Grice raced in both the TT and at Sandown. Silverstone was a week before i think. Brock and Moffat were planning to do that race even up until testing for the Spa 24 Hours, but for whatever reason the car ended up being run by GM Dealersport for Cleland and Woodman.
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Old 26 Jan 2005, 09:02 (Ref:1210153)   #60
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I have seen an ex Bob Morris torana at the York motor museum which is a small town about 100 kms away from Perth. There are some other great cars there including AJs title winnig F1 Williams and one of Jacky Stewarts Tyrells,then again all those cars may well be in the new motor museum in Fremantle which is owned by the same guy.

I have also seen an ex Wayne Negus Torana which was owned by a bloke called Paul Kramer who was the manager for the Kosteki engine centre in Morley WA, I know he dosn"t work there now.
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