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Old 17 Jan 2019, 15:12 (Ref:3876754)   #1816
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The defunct Lotus F1 Team tested 18" wheels and the car doesn't look fundamentally different.

Even if you produced an amazingly good looking car, it doesn't mean that it will necessarily be a good or quick vehicle.
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Old 17 Jan 2019, 15:53 (Ref:3876767)   #1817
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Why does Paddy Lowe say the larger wheel won't work for F1 when it works with LMP1 and 2?
if i had to guess, it is because his team lacks the resources to make the necessary changes.

from an engineering/technical point of view he may be wrong but this is F1 and perhaps he is making a judgment based on the only metric that matters...the size of his team's budget.
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Old 17 Jan 2019, 16:04 (Ref:3876771)   #1818
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Pirelli are complicit in the situation and so they deserve the flak they get.
for sure im in the minority but i like what Pirelli are doing (and even give BE credit for creating a control mechanism beyond the teams influence)...imo the only thing they are complicit in is making the racing a little less predictable and for me thats a good thing.

the teams, the drivers, and the fans dont really ever know how a compound will perform from track to track, stint to stint and that uncertainty basically lasts the whole season.

Max's win is Austria this year is case in point. not the fastest car but he managed his unreliable and unpredictable tires in real time/real life and found a way to win.

personally i want more of this not less and honestly im not sure how a more reliable more predictable tire is beneficial for me as a spectator.
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Old 17 Jan 2019, 16:05 (Ref:3876773)   #1819
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Even if you produced an amazingly good looking car, it doesn't mean that it will necessarily be a good or quick vehicle.
It would be interesting to know, what the outcome was of Lotus F1's testing 18" wheels and how they compared.
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Old 17 Jan 2019, 19:00 (Ref:3876823)   #1820
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It would be interesting to know, what the outcome was of Lotus F1's testing 18" wheels and how they compared.

Here is the press release/report of that test from Pirelli: https://www.pirelli.com/tyre/ww/en/n...e-9-july-2014/

Apparently the test was test the aesthetics of the design, rather than to determine any performance values.
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if i had to guess, it is because his team lacks the resources to make the necessary changes.

from an engineering/technical point of view he may be wrong but this is F1 and perhaps he is making a judgment based on the only metric that matters...the size of his team's budget.
It should be noted that the Lowe quote is from 2015 while he was at Mercedes. As I mentioned earlier, i suspect its more likely the preservation of the status quo.

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Old 18 Jan 2019, 00:51 (Ref:3876864)   #1822
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Why does Paddy Lowe say the larger wheel won't work for F1 when it works with LMP1 and 2?
Don’t bring facts or logic to this argument. It’s not how things work here. How long have you participated in this forum?

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The defunct Lotus F1 Team tested 18" wheels and the car doesn't look fundamentally different.

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It would be interesting to know, what the outcome was of Lotus F1's testing 18" wheels and how they compared.
Given it was on the car of the time I sincerely doubt they went to a great deal of trouble changing suspension just for an aesthetics test.
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Old 18 Jan 2019, 16:52 (Ref:3877031)   #1824
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Here is the press release/report of that test from Pirelli: https://www.pirelli.com/tyre/ww/en/n...e-9-july-2014/

Apparently the test was test the aesthetics of the design, rather than to determine any performance values.
Thanks for that. I had no idea, that it was mainly about aesthetics.
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Old 18 Jan 2019, 16:53 (Ref:3877032)   #1825
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The defunct Lotus F1 Team tested 18" wheels and the car doesn't look fundamentally different.

It might no look any different but I can assure you that the suspension and controls of it will be totally different. Read Fred Puhn's book on suspension and you will find that all cars are designed around the rim and tyre as a fundamental starting point of design. The geometric centre of the wheel defines everything to do with suspension.

https://www.amazon.com.au/How-Make-Y.../dp/0912656468
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It might no look any different but I can assure you that the suspension and controls of it will be totally different. Read Fred Puhn's book on suspension and you will find that all cars are designed around the rim and tyre as a fundamental starting point of design. The geometric centre of the wheel defines everything to do with suspension.

https://www.amazon.com.au/How-Make-Y.../dp/0912656468
That is what I was primarily interested in, rather than the aesthetics; shame none of that was included in that report, Pirelli issued.
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