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Old 16 Feb 2019, 12:27 (Ref:3884597)   #151
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Can anyone shed any more light on this car now I have a chassis number?
Type ECJ. Vehicle No GAECLK19998. Motor QZ. Trans 5. Axle U.Colour 3Q. Trim AQ.
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Old 16 Feb 2019, 18:09 (Ref:3884644)   #152
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Can anyone shed any more light on this car now I have a chassis number?
Type ECJ. Vehicle No GAECLK19998. Motor QZ. Trans 5. Axle U.Colour 3Q. Trim AQ.
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Old 16 Feb 2019, 18:46 (Ref:3884652)   #153
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Type ECJ. Vehicle No GAECLK19998. Motor QZ. Trans 5. Axle U.Colour 3Q. Trim AQ.
What do you actually want to know- What the above decodes as, or something else?

If it’s build plate decode you want....
ECJ Capri 1968-74
G Germany
A Cologne factory
E Capri
C 2dr Coupe
LK Built 02/71

QZ RS 2600 HC Engine
5 Manual transmission
U heavy duty axle

3Q Peppermint green metallic
AQ.... Can’t find!

But if that’s not what you we’re asking, it was an interesting exercise anyway!
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Old 17 Feb 2019, 07:37 (Ref:3884740)   #154
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What do you actually want to know- What the above decodes as, or something else?

If itís build plate decode you want....
ECJ Capri 1968-74
G Germany
A Cologne factory
E Capri
C 2dr Coupe
LK Built 02/71

QZ RS 2600 HC Engine
5 Manual transmission
U heavy duty axle

3Q Peppermint green metallic
AQ.... Canít find!

But if thatís not what you weíre asking, it was an interesting exercise anyway!

Hi Mike, Iíd already found the first part of the chassis number breakdown but the drive train info confirms what I thought. The interesting thing is a lot of the other early 70ís race chassis had a very similar number even though the build dates are not even close. 19998 seems fairly common so was that a factory allocated number for race cars?
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Old 17 Feb 2019, 10:17 (Ref:3884771)   #155
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Hi Mike, Iíd already found the first part of the chassis number breakdown but the drive train info confirms what I thought. The interesting thing is a lot of the other early 70ís race chassis had a very similar number even though the build dates are not even close. 19998 seems fairly common so was that a factory allocated number for race cars?
AFAIK thatís just the chassis number off the line. In the UK Ford did allocate Ďbatchesí of chassis numbers to the Boreham built Escorts, so it could be that the same happened in Cologne. What evidence is there that the Capri was a race car from day one, and not sold as a road car, then converted later?
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Old 17 Feb 2019, 11:38 (Ref:3884783)   #156
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Of no interest: axle ratio 3.22, AQ: trim leatherette gold/black.
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Old 17 Feb 2019, 12:25 (Ref:3884791)   #157
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AFAIK thatís just the chassis number off the line. In the UK Ford did allocate Ďbatchesí of chassis numbers to the Boreham built Escorts, so it could be that the same happened in Cologne. What evidence is there that the Capri was a race car from day one, and not sold as a road car, then converted later?
Hi again Mike, sorry I didnít explain myself very well. The point Iím trying to make is that a quick internet search has come up with the chassis numbers of four confirmed Cologne Capris and they are
GAECPY 19999
GAECPB 19997
GAECNA 19997
GAECLJ 19997
There are others out there that end in 19998 so if the only thing that changes is the letter that defines the month and year. Does this mean that all race cars built at the factory had chassis numbers ending in 97,98 or 99?
This car, allegedly, was raced in Europe after being built in 1971 and then it was exported to the Ford East Africa Importer in about 1973, used at a couple of circuits in Kenya then was laid up for 40+ years.
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Old 17 Feb 2019, 14:22 (Ref:3884807)   #158
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Ah, cheers for the clarification! Looks interesting, but donít think Iíve got any in-depth literature on Ford Germany built race cars. There may be a book or two published over there on a similar theme to ĎThe Works Escortsí that covers Capris from Cologne. Thatís whatís needed!

BTW well done Gerard with the trim colour code. I couldnít find that!
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[QUOTE=ferguson;3884644]. You may try our resident guru over here in the states gypsey. His name is Norm Murdock. He runs team blitz Capri parts in Ohio He has a 72 group two car and may be able to shed some light on your car. He is on Facebook or you can email him off his web page.
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Old 18 Feb 2019, 23:55 (Ref:3885117)   #160
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. You may try our resident guru over here in the states gypsey. His name is Norm Murdock. He runs team blitz Capri parts in Ohio He has a 72 group two car and may be able to shed some light on your car. He is on Facebook or you can email him off his web page.
Thanks fella, Iíll get in touch with him.😀
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Old 25 Feb 2019, 21:27 (Ref:3886605)   #161
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Hi again Mike, sorry I didnít explain myself very well. The point Iím trying to make is that a quick internet search has come up with the chassis numbers of four confirmed Cologne Capris and they are
GAECPY 19999
GAECPB 19997
GAECNA 19997
GAECLJ 19997
There are others out there that end in 19998 so if the only thing that changes is the letter that defines the month and year. Does this mean that all race cars built at the factory had chassis numbers ending in 97,98 or 99?
This car, allegedly, was raced in Europe after being built in 1971 and then it was exported to the Ford East Africa Importer in about 1973, used at a couple of circuits in Kenya then was laid up for 40+ years.
Not sure if this will help, but as we know the Cologne Capris and BMW CSL`s were designed and built by the same people, Braungart and Neerpasch. I know little about the Capris but the above numbers ring bells from my CSL knowledge. When BMW decided to homologate the CSL for Group 2 and build 1000 examples the chassis number range started at 2275001. Therefore the last chassis built to satisfy the FIA would be 2276000. The chassis numbers selected for the factory race chassis started from 2276000, the second chassis was 2275999, 2275998, 2275997, etc.....as the Capri numbers quoted above seem to include the last digits 999.998,997, etc...maybe the same system was used. It may also have had the effect of convincing the FIA that 1000 examples had been built ??
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Old 25 Feb 2019, 23:41 (Ref:3886625)   #162
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Not sure if this will help, but as we know the Cologne Capris and BMW CSL`s were designed and built by the same people, Braungart and Neerpasch. I know little about the Capris but the above numbers ring bells from my CSL knowledge. When BMW decided to homologate the CSL for Group 2 and build 1000 examples the chassis number range started at 2275001. Therefore the last chassis built to satisfy the FIA would be 2276000. The chassis numbers selected for the factory race chassis started from 2276000, the second chassis was 2275999, 2275998, 2275997, etc.....as the Capri numbers quoted above seem to include the last digits 999.998,997, etc...maybe the same system was used. It may also have had the effect of convincing the FIA that 1000 examples had been built ??
Thatís very interesting Alex, I hadnít made that connection, needs further investigations I reckon!
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