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Old 15 Mar 2019, 08:36 (Ref:3890622)   #2581
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At least France has a lot of Nuclear generation .

Less if the current policies are implemented and even less in a few years when plant replacement has been constantly deferred - as in the UK.
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Old 15 Mar 2019, 09:17 (Ref:3890629)   #2582
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I've just finished watching this video about the Geneva car show from Harry's Garage - Harry Metcalfe the founder of EVO magazine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6Yx4rvB8VE


Apart from the expected Hypercar excesses (well, EVO so what do you expect?) he also covers the way the market will be changing in the very immediate future as the latest round of emission regulations bite. In effect this starts in 2020.

If you are interested take a slightly longer Tea Break and watch the whole thing. If only the comments on regulation are of interest the message is delivered as cars are discussed starting about half way through - after the Mansoury nightmare section in the main.

Two point stood out at first watching. For some reason there is 95gm CO2 output average required across the manufacturer's 'fleet' and to avoid extreme fines they will need to manage their sales on a per annum basis to ensure they don't exceed that average.

If you want to buy a relatively high powered vehicle with a high CO2 output do it early in the year, it might not be available for sale later.

If you want to buy a small engined car .... you probably won't be able to. The new WLTP standards make it very difficult to beat the 95gm figure and with margins on the smaller vehicles being low there is no commercial reason to make them.

Presumably someone somewhere has worked out that the lower paid regions of the population can be driven away from car ownership and the potential of freedom of travel, other than by lowest cost short range electric cars that will be a pain for the users to charge, by playing the green joker card.

The more information I read the more I see the market moving to fleets of autonomous hire by trip electric pods owned and managed by global corporates as partners to government controlled programmes.

Interestingly exactly the same thing is happening in China with Chinese companies taking the lead.

http://carsalesbase.com/chinas-electric-great-wall/

To get to the nitty gritty of the reasons scroll down to immediately after the first 2 graphs.

What a remarkable coincidence.
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Old 15 Mar 2019, 12:06 (Ref:3890659)   #2583
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I can’t be arsed to edit that down to one small quote to respond to, but re the 95gm average Co2 that manufacturers will have to meet. The penalties come in in 2021, which is why, as I’ve mentioned before, there will be a bigger roll out of new zero emissions vehicles and plug-hybrids (the easier way out), to help reduce the ‘fines’ then. Sales are being held back as much as they dare at the moment..... It will make cars like the VW Up and it’s cousins unattractive to market, as they produce ‘average’ emissions. What you’ll see, and there was plenty of evidence at Geneva, is lower cost small EVs being introduced to replace those models.

All this only affects those buying new cars, of course. Anyone sticking with their current ‘mobile or buying pre-owned can issue all the emissions they like!
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The penalties come in in 2021, which is why, as I’ve mentioned before, there will be a bigger roll out of new zero emissions vehicles and plug-hybrids (the easier way out), to help reduce the ‘fines’ then.
But it seems that the fines this time around will be bigger and based on what people are buying not the notional average calculated numbers for cars in the range.

So they need to 'manage' what is sold.

And all for what?
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And all for what?
Err, to avoid paying so much dosh in ‘fines’. They’re going to be huge.......

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So, are you saying that if I buy the Bullitt Mustang, it'll stop Ford selling a wheezy Fiesta? If so I' believe I should perform that service.
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So, are you saying that if I buy the Bullitt Mustang, it'll stop Ford selling a wheezy Fiesta? If so I' believe I should perform that service.
If the annual road fund licence wasn’t so ridiculousy high on anything like that, it would make sense for all of us to get one!
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£750.00? A bargain.

Just seen it's £2050.00. Still reasonable.

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You’re not an old-age pensioner, Peter!

Just spotted this 2CV variant that was unfamiliar with.... Never seen a pic of one before! Gerard?

http://www.citroenet.org.uk/foreign/...ile/chile.html
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Mike watzat??? Never saw this horror before. One of my neighbor had an accessory on his old '57. We call that "malle bombée pour 2CV", maker was Raoul. I said to E.B this 2CV brought strange things. Remember the rather high profile? This car was planed to make enough room for four farmers going to the market without taking their hats off. With two 25 kilos bags of potatoes and a basket of eggs. May be the potatoes could help for a htp now!!!
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Its no surprise that our car makers built commercial versions of their best sellers. Mainly you could see how many wine barrels could be delivered in the print adverts. May be E.b can find pics from Simca Vedette Abeille or Traction Citroën commerciale with a rear door? Thanks!
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Mike watzat??? Never saw this horror before. One of my neighbor had an accessory on his old '57. We call that "malle bombée pour 2CV", maker was Raoul. I said to E.B this 2CV brought strange things. Remember the rather high profile? This car was planed to make enough room for four farmers going to the market without taking their hats off. With two 25 kilos bags of potatoes and a basket of eggs. May be the potatoes could help for a htp now!!!
That Citroneta certainly isn't pretty. I think the 'malle bombée' could be found on these shores as well.

Wasn't it said that the 2CV suspension design was so that the eggs wouldn't break while driving across a field?
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That Citroneta certainly isn't pretty. I think the 'malle bombée' could be found on these shores as well.

Wasn't it said that the 2CV suspension design was so that the eggs wouldn't break while driving across a field?
2CV not much use on late delivery run for the Delta Croissant and Omelette Fest!
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