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Old 15 Nov 2000, 17:22 (Ref:48454)   #1
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Brooklands ..
From 17 july 1907 to 1939 the place of the Britisch racing
It was the first permament circuit
There was a GP race in 1926 and 1927
But also the Britisch Empire Thophy
The BRDC and JCC (club) racing
But also the opening race of 1907
The race in 1908 with winner Nazzaro in Fiat
In 1911 with Bordino in Fiat ..

And so very match other races

But who have more info, of racing on Brookland
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Old 16 Nov 2000, 07:19 (Ref:48553)   #2
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Here you go Tim.

Mr B you have just struck gold.

As to the "first permanent circuit". Wasn't that Indianapolis?
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Old 16 Nov 2000, 08:21 (Ref:48557)   #3
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No, I think Indy opened in 1911. Some Americans claim Milwakee as the first closed circuit race, but it was round an existing horse racing track. And now over to Tim
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Old 16 Nov 2000, 21:16 (Ref:48670)   #4
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Hi Boniver,

Well, you asked! I'm actually in the throes of a book of Brooklands history, trying to present each race, its results, runners and riders. Not the easiest of things to research, believe me.

In the process, I have established squatters rights in the Beaulieu National Motor Museum library, lost my temper at the microfiche custodians at the British Newspaper Library, exchanged views with the great William Boddy, rummaged around in the Brooklands Society archive, and found myself on first name terms with every antiquarian motor book dealer in the land.

And I'm still left with gaps all over the place!

So, Boniver, what would you like to know about Brooklands?



Incidentally, the first meeting at Brooklands was actually on July 6th 1907, and the first race therein was won by HC Tryon on a 40hp Napier.

The last race ever held at the track was The Third August Outer Circuit Handicap, on August 7th 1939, The winning car was GL Baker's Straight-8 Graham-Paige.
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Old 18 Nov 2000, 12:39 (Ref:48859)   #5
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He TimD,

There is the web site from Brooklands Society

Somebody give the name of the book History of Brooklands Motor Course from William Boddy - 1957 - but not more on the market

But we find no other info of Brookland , no books, no web sites, datum of races, no winners, etc....

If you know the site of Darren Galpon (racing from 1895 to
1948) of Leif Snellman (racing from 1934 to 1949)
there not very match , or nothing, say over racing on Brookland or GB, for we have no info...

We think that in GB are more sites and books, over Brooklands and racing in GB (before 1949) than we know.


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Old 18 Nov 2000, 13:43 (Ref:48863)   #6
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Hey Tim - have you heard anything about the Brooklands ghost? I read somewhere years ago about a racer who drove off the side of the banked track - died obviously - and people have claimed to have seen his ghost.
I must admit when you go there and walk along the few bits of track that are visible, it is pretty spooky!
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Old 23 Nov 2000, 00:54 (Ref:49566)   #7
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Francesca, the story as I've been told it, is that members of the public have seen a man walking the banking in period racing helmet, goggles and flying jacket. He is sufficiently "solid" that he is taken for a member of staff or a guide dressed up. But he never acknowledges anyone, and he seems to disappear unexpectedly.

Enough innocent punters have enquired about him at the museum for them to build up a little bit of a theory about him.

They suggest that he's Captain Percy Lambert, who was a successful driver between 1909-1913. He lost his life in a speed record attempt in 1913 driving a streamlined 25hp Talbot. Without references in front of me, I can't be certain that he went "over the top".

There were definitely a few drivers who came off the banking. Clive Dunfee crashed a Bentley in the 1932 BRDC 500 miles race, and was killed. (There's a Pathe newsreel I've seen which shows the big Bentley somersaulting through the treetops - not pretty). In 1938, Harry Clayton, driving a borrowed MG, was pitched off the banking by another car. Despite his leather crash-hat hitting the concrete, and despite multiple fractures, Harry Clayton survived the accident, and lived into his nineties.

I think Jack Toop's fatal accident in 1924 involved the banking too, but I can't be certain without looking it up...



Boniver, the best I can do for you - while I'm still surrounded by a thousand assorted bits of information which I'm collating - is to let you know the best sources available at the moment.

Boddy's History of Brooklands Motor Course is the thing to find. Try to locate the 1979 printing, as it clears up some errors in the 1957 edition. Mainly typos, nothing horrendous. Rendering "Alta" as "Alfa", for example.

Also by Boddy, "The 200 Miles Race", which concentrates on the JCC events, and "Brooklands Giants", which looks at the aircraft-engined racers.

Charles Mortimer's "Brooklands and Beyond" focuses on CKM's motorcycling activities, but is interesting and useful nonetheless.

Prince Chula's books "Wheels at Speed", "Road Racing 1936", "Road Star Hat Trick" all look at his brother B.Bira's record of racing at Brooklands. Hugh Tours wrote an excellent biography of JG Parry Thomas.

But you're right. Apart from those, there's really not a lot that was published about Brooklands. Certainly not in the way of tabulated results. Even the press reports at the time rarely published every result. Usually they limited themselves to "top three" and the winner's average speed.

And that's precisely why I decided I would do something about it.

Still working....
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Old 23 Nov 2000, 01:06 (Ref:49568)   #8
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Good luck Tim - having been to Brooklands, I know it is a special place and deserves more coverage. They should bulldoze the buildings that are on top of the old track and recreate it. Such a shame that they let people build on a piece of major British racing history!
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I am looking for information on John Rossall Houldsworth killed in a motor racing accident at Brooklands in June 1934 aged 22 - can anybody help.

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Old 11 Apr 2005, 16:21 (Ref:1275585)   #10
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Good luck Tim - having been to Brooklands, I know it is a special place and deserves more coverage. They should bulldoze the buildings that are on top of the old track and recreate it. Such a shame that they let people build on a piece of major British racing history!
Unfortunately Francesca there were several venues like Brooklands that were commandeered during the Second World War (Donington Park being one). When the troops finally left the old place was in one heck of a mess. Parts of the banking had gone and there were buildings all over the place. Of course there was never any suggestion of compensation.

It would be highly expensive to restore Brooklands to its original glory and to then recoup the expense the old motto of 'The right crowd and no crowding' would have to go out of the window.

I agree that it is a shame however without World War Two there wouldn't be...

Silverstone, Castle Combe, Anglesey Racing Circuit, Croft Circuit, Kirkistown, Pembrey, Snetterton and Thruxton all of which are built on World War Two military installations.

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Old 11 Apr 2005, 16:28 (Ref:1275590)   #11
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Bonvier, there is a book coming out in June called Autodrome - it covers the history of Brooklands and has some really good photography of the place today. It should contain pretty much everything you want to know as a casual type. But the boo covers nine abandoned circuits - whereas TimD's (which I will no doubt be buying) is dedicated to Brooklands

Francesca - the above contains the story of both the ghosts - or loiter in the chat room and I'll start telling scary stories... I got some great qoutes from a local who claimed to have had a run in with it...

BTW the earliest closed course motor race I know of was in 1899 at Crystal Palace. My book on that topic is out in a few weeks.

See amazon (or ads/competition to appear on this site soon) for more details.
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Old 11 Apr 2005, 16:40 (Ref:1275604)   #12
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Stop trying to sell your book collins!

Brooklands is a fantastic place and is well worth a visit if you can get there...its only 12 miles from me...I can feel a visit coming on...Sunday Sam?

If you can get over the museum is a fantastic place to learn all about the history of Brooklands!

Helen as for your request about John Rossall Houldsworth I am not sure! Maybe TimD maybe the person to help you. Also contacting the Brooklands Society could be worth a go!
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Welcome to the forum Helen. I know a little about John Houldsworth's unfortunate accident. As far as I am aware, his entry in the 1934 British Empire Trophy race was his only experience as a competitor at the track. He shared a Bugatti T35 with RL Duller, a seasoned racer at Brooklands. On this occasion, there was a new track layout incorporated for the race. This was marked out by straw bales, and it was against one of these bales that the Bugatti turned over on the 31st lap. Although he was taken to hospital, unfortunately John Houldsworth did not survive the night.
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go here then!! http://www.brooklandsmuseum.com/
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