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Old 10 Jun 2021, 17:21 (Ref:4055590)   #241
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and also its not Latifi's fault so penalties should be applied to his team instead of points on his licence!
Every other car went into the pits. Basic rules say you follow the Safety Car wherever it goes if it has its lights on. He should have worked it out!
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Old 10 Jun 2021, 17:26 (Ref:4055592)   #242
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Every other car went into the pits. Basic rules say you follow the Safety Car wherever it goes if it has its lights on. He should have worked it out!

The team told him to stay out, which he thought meant stay out on the track.

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Old 10 Jun 2021, 19:30 (Ref:4055619)   #243
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Every other car went into the pits. Basic rules say you follow the Safety Car wherever it goes if it has its lights on. He should have worked it out!
Agreed that he should have followed everyone into the pits and rules are rules, but there was confusion that the team exaggerated so I’d be OK if he was treated more leniently on this.

Never made a call in the heat of the moment, perhaps with incorrect information, that turned out to be wrong?
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Old 10 Jun 2021, 20:06 (Ref:4055624)   #244
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Every other car went into the pits. Basic rules say you follow the Safety Car wherever it goes if it has its lights on. He should have worked it out!
"stay out stay out stay out stay out stay out stay out stay out"

He did what he was told. The drivers can't be on top of every rule - this is literally the job of the race engineer to work this out, and the race engineer got it wrong.

He did what he was told to do, by the man whose job it is to work out what he's meant to be doing.
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Old 13 Jun 2021, 12:07 (Ref:4056114)   #245
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FWIW. Puncture an hour into the WEC race on a Michelin shod GT. Only one manufacturer in that class.
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Old 13 Jun 2021, 14:33 (Ref:4056171)   #246
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"stay out stay out stay out stay out stay out stay out stay out"

He did what he was told. The drivers can't be on top of every rule - this is literally the job of the race engineer to work this out, and the race engineer got it wrong.

He did what he was told to do, by the man whose job it is to work out what he's meant to be doing.
I understand but at every drivers briefing the point is made about following the safety car wherever it goes, so while the team confused mightily, he still should have known. Hence the personal penalty for him.
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Old 13 Jun 2021, 14:50 (Ref:4056178)   #247
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At every drivers' briefing? I didn't know that.
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Old 13 Jun 2021, 14:58 (Ref:4056183)   #248
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I understand but at every drivers briefing the point is made about following the safety car wherever it goes, so while the team confused mightily, he still should have known. Hence the personal penalty for him.

Were the cars emerging from pitroad following the SC?
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Old 13 Jun 2021, 15:43 (Ref:4056194)   #249
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At every drivers' briefing? I didn't know that.
It’s one of the standard instructions, written or spoken. Always gets a groaning laugh.
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So exactly as I thought then, pretty much like all the other rules.

Although I didn't know that it always got a groaning laugh, but then I'm not there.
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Old 14 Jun 2021, 14:32 (Ref:4056354)   #251
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surely there is latitude when it comes to the application of rules/penalties and while the Lando situation was a bit different, Seidl said something to the effect that there probably should be additional mechanisms to reprimand before issuing a penalty...which is a sentiment i do agree with.

ultimately the Stewards opted to just reduce the prescribed penalty so clearly there is latitude.

likewise, if they think the effort is worth it, a team can appeal these decisions much as Merc had done to have a penalty removed from Hamilton personally and placed on the team instead. as it was agreed that it was the team who instructed him to park in the pit lane (Russia i believe) Ham was let off the hook.

as these were Latifi's first points against his licence it was probably not worth anyone's time to fight it.

but speaking of points, Hamilton i think is getting close to a race ban and would be closer had the team not lobbied in Russia.
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surely there is latitude when it comes to the application of rules/penalties and while the Lando situation was a bit different, Seidl said something to the effect that there probably should be additional mechanisms to reprimand before issuing a penalty...which is a sentiment i do agree with.
Trouble is the fans will scream blue murder that things aren’t consistent! That situations can be different does not matter.

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likewise, if they think the effort is worth it, a team can appeal these decisions much as Merc had done to have a penalty removed from Hamilton personally and placed on the team instead. as it was agreed that it was the team who instructed him to park in the pit lane (Russia i believe) Ham was let off the hook.

as these were Latifi's first points against his licence it was probably not worth anyone's time to fight it.
Good point.

Although, we are not privy to, or pay attention to every driver’s meeting so we cannot comment on how the FIA communicate that it will be applied.

I agree that there should be a level of discretion that the stewards can apply. A lot of things aren’t clear cut.


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The causes of the two left-rear tyre failures on the Aston Martin and Red Bull was down to a circumferential break on the inner sidewall, which can be related to the running conditions of the tyre, in spite of the prescribed starting parameters having been followed.

Translated: the teams actually did what they were told to do by Pirelli, but Pirellis advice was wrong.
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I thought the investigation rather vague in its results with RB claiming they ran their tyres within Pirelli's specifications at all times.


New regs are coming in that call for the tyres temperature and pressure to be monitored at all times.


Pirelli also said the tyre failures were not as a result of delamination, wear or a production fault, no mention of a design fault.


https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/pi...lures/6572228/
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The release is quite vague but no doubt there is more detail in the information provided to teams and the FIA by Pirelli.

Based on the release though, it seems that the tyres are extremely sensitive to pressure and dropping below a threshold is risky. Makes me wonder what happens when there is a SC period, particularly a lengthy one. Its not like the tyres can be eased up to temp at a restart - it is back to full-on racing of course.

Wonder if the combination of FIA / Pirelli / teams has got too cute with narrow parameters on the tyres and not allowed for reduced pressure / temp running conditions that can occur in any race? In the current world of over-complicated F1 cars and rules, they may have overlooked simple, practical reality.
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