Official Bahrain Grand Prix 2020: Grand Prix Weekend Thread - Round 15 of 17 - Page 4

**bella** · 29 Nov 2020, 15:37 (Ref:4019434)

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Originally Posted by karting

It’s a guess, but I’ve seen lots of Lipos go up in flames during Rc race meetings.

They cause big big fires

inclined to go with you on this, particularly given how it was/n't responding to extinguisher. not sure how long it took to put out though.

most single seaters from about the formula renault 2000 era are designed to split at that point to absorb impact and prevent it splitting anywhere more dangerous to the driver and others. i'd be surprised if that's not a feature in f1 too. the downside is that a lot of stuff that is otherwise very well protected is suddenly very vulnerable.

rustyfan · 29 Nov 2020, 15:41 (Ref:4019435)

What even is this race...

**bjohnsonsmith** · 29 Nov 2020, 15:41 (Ref:4019436)

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Originally Posted by rustyfan

Armco barriers will always be "softer" than several other types of barriers and racing cars of all variants have been punching through them for ages. On the plus-side armco barriers absorbs a lot more energy than, say, a concrete barrier, but, yeah, the major downside was in full effect today.

I'd like to see the SAFER barrier installed at more tracks. It's not an "oval-only" solution, it'd work superbly at all sorts of tracks.

I can't say I remember ever seeing a hole punched through an Armco barrier like that.

chillibowl · 29 Nov 2020, 15:41 (Ref:4019437)

What!

2020

**bjohnsonsmith** · 29 Nov 2020, 15:43 (Ref:4019438)

A clean restart but Stroll gets turned over and ends up upside down. FCY.

**Adam43** · 29 Nov 2020, 15:45 (Ref:4019439)

I’m hanging upside down!

Not that we want accidents, but at least this one has a small bit of comedy.

**bella** · 29 Nov 2020, 15:46 (Ref:4019440)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

I can't say I remember ever seeing a hole punched through an Armco barrier like that.

happens reasonably often in national motorsport, though in the uk the barriers are normally secured with whacking great big wooden posts and absorb the impact differently to whatever type of ground they had those chicken wire posts nailed into...

**bjohnsonsmith** · 29 Nov 2020, 15:49 (Ref:4019442)

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Originally Posted by bella

happens reasonably often in national motorsport, though in the uk the barriers are normally secured with whacking great big wooden posts and absorb the impact differently to whatever type of ground they had those chicken wire posts nailed into...

That's the first time I've seen anything quite like that.

Greem · 29 Nov 2020, 15:50 (Ref:4019443)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

I can't say I remember ever seeing a hole punched through an Armco barrier like that.

Raikkonen, Silverstone, 2014 springs to mind immediately.

It happens far more frequently than you might think, but F1 cars don't often hit bare Armco at speed and the right angle on TV so it looks unusual when they do.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 29 Nov 2020, 15:53 (Ref:4019444)

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Originally Posted by Greem

Raikkonen, Silverstone, 2014 springs to mind immediately.

It happens far more frequently than you might think, but F1 cars don't often hit bare Armco at speed and the right angle on TV so it looks unusual when they do.

He bounced off the Armco, he didn't go through it, which is what happened to Grosjean.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBt4W2faPRg

Richard C · 29 Nov 2020, 15:55 (Ref:4019445)

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Originally Posted by Greem

The Bahrain marshals are pretty experienced, but I can't speak for their individual training.

What you have to remember though is that you can see three of them having to vacate the area PDQ when Grosjean headed for the barrier, and then they had to come back with extinguishers from away from the incident.

Whatever training they do get, it will start with "if you can feel the heat you are too close" and that will be repeated throughout. No point getting burned yourself.

I expect the radiant heat was high. He had protection, but appeared his face was mostly exposed. Still maybe not his best moment.

Richard

**bjohnsonsmith** · 29 Nov 2020, 15:55 (Ref:4019446)

An incident free restart.

**Adam43** · 29 Nov 2020, 15:58 (Ref:4019447)

Red Bull have set up Verstappen’s car incorrectly again?

**Adam43** · 29 Nov 2020, 16:00 (Ref:4019448)

Cars all over the place!

Leclerc going backwards.

rustyfan · 29 Nov 2020, 16:02 (Ref:4019449)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

I can't say I remember ever seeing a hole punched through an Armco barrier like that.

Helmuth Koinigg died punching through an armco barrier back in 1974. Old version of armco, yes, but the basic design remains the same (the biggest difference being modern armco having three layers as opposed to two back in the old days).

In more modern days we've seen cars punch through the armco barriers at Le Mans. The cars usually bounced back out onto the track, however, but they punched a hole nonetheless.

Grosjean's crash is an extreme example though.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 29 Nov 2020, 16:03 (Ref:4019450)

Kvyat gets a 10 second penalty for turning Stroll upside down.

Knowlesy · 29 Nov 2020, 16:04 (Ref:4019451)

Looks like Vettel has been hit by the gust of wind that got him last year.

Greem · 29 Nov 2020, 16:05 (Ref:4019452)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

He bounced off the Armco, he didn't go through it, which is what happened to Grosjean.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBt4W2faPRg

Yes, but he did punch a hole in it, which was the point I was addressing.

**Adam43** · 29 Nov 2020, 16:05 (Ref:4019453)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Kvyat gets a 10 second penalty for turning Stroll upside down.

Seems harsh?

(Need to see again to properly judge)

**bjohnsonsmith** · 29 Nov 2020, 16:09 (Ref:4019454)

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Originally Posted by rustyfan

Helmuth Koinigg died punching through an armco barrier back in 1974. Old version of armco, yes, but the basic design remains the same (the biggest difference being modern armco having three layers as opposed to two back in the old days).

In more modern days we've seen cars punch through the armco barriers at Le Mans. The cars usually bounced back out onto the track, however, but they punched a hole nonetheless.

Grosjean's crash is an extreme example though.

There was Cevert in '73 at Watkins Glen but safety has moved on since then.

Maybe they have at Le Mans but as you say the car has bounced back, Grosjean went straight through.

chillibowl · 29 Nov 2020, 16:09 (Ref:4019455)

Are we getting a full race distance?

**Adam43** · 29 Nov 2020, 16:10 (Ref:4019457)

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Originally Posted by chillibowl

Are we getting a full race distance?

Should do, plenty of time left.

chillibowl · 29 Nov 2020, 16:14 (Ref:4019458)

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Originally Posted by Adam43

Should do, plenty of time left.

Right!

Interesting seeing the Renault's on different strategies. Ocon on the mediums and Ric possibly able to go to the end on hards?

Knowlesy · 29 Nov 2020, 16:15 (Ref:4019460)

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Originally Posted by Adam43

Should do, plenty of time left.

Need to get a move on before it gets dark tbf.

**Adam43** · 29 Nov 2020, 16:16 (Ref:4019461)

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Originally Posted by Knowlesy

Need to get a move on before it gets dark tbf.

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