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29 Nov 2020, 20:39 (Ref:4019535) | #126 | ||
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That was a very strange race, the actual racing part was very poor but the accidents were rather worrying glad it appears no one was seriously hurt
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29 Nov 2020, 20:45 (Ref:4019536) | #127 | |
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There is still an element of luck in the incident that can never be legislated for. He could have been knocked unconscious with that level of force and then the incident can be a lot more serious.
That would not have been in any way a reflection of the safety advancements that have been made which have been absolutely top drawer. The halo repeatedly proves its worth and I hope the people who said they would never watch F1 again after its introduction are feeling suitably stupid tonight. So the bulletproof vest worked and thankfully the bullet was aimed at the torso and not the head. |
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29 Nov 2020, 20:51 (Ref:4019537) | #128 | ||
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For all the good the Marshals did in the Grosjean incident, their copybook was blotted slightly by the raving lunatic who ran across the course to put out the Perez fire without authorisation
The race felt like it was taking place in the 1970s in some regard, quite bizarre set of circumstances today |
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At least after the race Vettel and Brawn seemed (the only ones) seriously concerned about the barrier failure. I’d have been happier if they cancelled the race until they got better barriers. Maybe Armco or concrete fronted by SAFER barriers or tire barriers. Sebring is almost surrounded by concrete walls, but with seemingly adequate tire barriers. |
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29 Nov 2020, 20:54 (Ref:4019539) | #130 | ||
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Also a track Marshall with a fire extinguisher fighting the fire while Doc Robert’s caught Grosjean. No disrespect to the professionals, but they are pros, the Marshall was an amateur (presumably). Great show by all three, I hope the GPDA gives then all huge Christmas bonuses.
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29 Nov 2020, 21:02 (Ref:4019541) | #132 | ||
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I haven't watched F1 for several years but saw the footage on the news. Can't recall an F1 car snapping in two like that, but have seen numerous break ups in CART and Indycar similar to it.
Glad Romain survived in one piece. Maybe the SAFER barriers need to be a thing more globally, they're pretty much everywhere in the States (well the tracks that host national series anyways) and have doubtless saved many from more serious injury. |
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Full credit however to the one with Doc Roberts, putting out the flames so the Doc could catch Grosjean. F1 and GPDA should reward him somehow. His bravery was consistent with the medical team’s bravery. |
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29 Nov 2020, 21:24 (Ref:4019545) | #135 | |
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I don't like the "missed a bullet" idea, because the safety stuff all did its job, as brilliantly put by Adam and Greem.
The bit which was "luck" was Romains ability to self extract. He was conscious, but as you can see here, his route was almost completely blocked. He attempted to extract straight up (from his perspective) but found it blocked by the armco, so adjusted himself and went up and left (from his perspective) which was successful. Had the car been 20cm less deep in the barrier, he would not have been able to do that. Every single safety feature on that car worked as designed - especially the halo. But in terms of risk management and the swiss cheese analogy, the incident almost made it through one of the holes in the cheese. It's easy to see how the incident could've been much, much worse today. |
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29 Nov 2020, 21:50 (Ref:4019548) | #136 | ||
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29 Nov 2020, 22:06 (Ref:4019554) | #137 | ||
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Grosjean message via the team twitter account.
https://twitter.com/HaasF1Team/statu...604701699?s=09 |
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29 Nov 2020, 22:09 (Ref:4019556) | #138 | ||
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29 Nov 2020, 22:09 (Ref:4019557) | #139 | ||
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i can't agree with ricciardo enough on this. since when did watching a man fight for his life become entertainment?: https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/15...osjean-replays i'm doing a lot of avoiding everything online tonight. |
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29 Nov 2020, 22:11 (Ref:4019558) | #140 | ||
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I agree that this is important.
In this case, IIRC, the coverage did not show any replays until it was clear Grosjean was (generally) OK. I was watching with my kid and was conscious on this, but still I may not be remembering correctly as emotions were high. |
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29 Nov 2020, 22:15 (Ref:4019559) | #141 | ||
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Still much better than in 1994 when EVERYTHING was shown live when Ratzenberger and Senna crashed
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29 Nov 2020, 22:35 (Ref:4019560) | #142 | |
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You remember correctly. Replays were not shown until it was confirmed he was out of the car and ok. At that point I think it’s fine.
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29 Nov 2020, 22:37 (Ref:4019562) | #143 | ||
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29 Nov 2020, 22:42 (Ref:4019564) | #144 | |||
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Edited to add that, in addition, Sky Sports also cut the replay from the on-board camera before Grosjean's car hit the wall. The replay showed Grosjean cutting across the Alpha Tauri and then Grosjean heading for the armco barrier, but not the actual impact. Ricciardo has a point that there is an entertainment aspect to it, but I felt that Sky Sports handled it as sensitively as they could have, given the circumstances. |
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29 Nov 2020, 23:00 (Ref:4019571) | #145 | ||
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I believe this is his last race. I don't think Indy Car will be a good choice either because It's far more dangerous. His wife won't let him race anymore. Surely he has enough money to retire?
Yes, all the safety mechanisms worked perfectly. The so called "lucky" part is that he remained conscious. If he would have been dazed and disoriented for another 10 seconds, the outcome could have been much different. We see the drivers struggle enough to get out of the car when arriving to the podium. Just imagine under life and death stress...or imagine being dazed where it took a while for everything to kick in. So yeah, he was definitely lucky in that aspect. Not sure if anyone mentioned the marshal running across the track during the Perez incident. That reminded me of South Africa 1977 where marshal was obliterated by the car and his fire extinguisher killed the driver...and the other marshal was nearly run over as well. Hopefully they rectify those issues in the next races. Sent from my SM-G950W using Tapatalk |
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29 Nov 2020, 23:01 (Ref:4019572) | #146 | |
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Yeah, I don't think Sky did a bad job at all tbh.
Found it curious they cut Grosjean's onboard short as I assumed the camera was destroyed on impact anyways. Not that it needs to be seen, nothing to be gained really. Regarding luck: you need a slither of it for the unforeseen or the things you didn't cover. There is always stuff to be learned from accidents regardless of the job you do. So it shouldn't be seen as a slight or be frustrating in any way, the scientists and engineers have got it 99% covered, they rightly get all the credit but equally can't possibly cover everything because you can have freak occurrences. This was a weird old accident. Last edited by Knowlesy; 29 Nov 2020 at 23:06. |
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29 Nov 2020, 23:31 (Ref:4019575) | #148 | ||
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Great to actually see Grosjean at the end of the C4 coverage. I don't have a great deal of time for him as a driver, but I was so happy to see him escape that Fireball....
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The Grosjean On-board replay was probably all they got from the car before the camera was destroyed. Not really an editorial decision when the camera is obliterated. |
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30 Nov 2020, 00:55 (Ref:4019590) | #150 | |||
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In the end it required many many things to go right (or for the accident to live within the bounds of what the preventative measures can handle) and most did. It would have take very little to have a different outcome. So "luck" didn't save him. The safety features did. But he was still "lucky" if that makes sense. Richard |
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