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4 Aug 2018, 00:45 (Ref:3841259) | #1 | ||
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IMSA 2018 State of the Series
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4 Aug 2018, 01:32 (Ref:3841267) | #2 | |
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I just looked at the first press releases .... Sprint Cup for GTD? Two prototype classes?
And what really matters ... a new million-dollar logo for the 50th anniversary. Now we can all sleep easy. I will be back after I have pondered and digested and hopefully will have something of worth to regurgitate. |
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4 Aug 2018, 02:06 (Ref:3841275) | #3 | ||
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Also they placed PLM on a very bad weekend. PLM goes up against the biggest amateur race of the year, the SCCA Runoffs, which are being held at VIR and is expecting to draw anywhere between 800-1000 cars over all the invited classes (24-26 classes). This is going to be a crunch for some crews and especially the F&C workers as SCCA helps supplies workers for both races.
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4 Aug 2018, 18:22 (Ref:3841459) | #4 | |
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I read another comment on another site but it was spot on. Now we have a PC class again. I was really wanting to see it come back and LMP2 is pretty much as close as it gets. It will open up that LMP2 class to more rich gentlemen and thus make the racing even better just like it was in the old days.
Three GTD classes even adds to the excitement and will be just the icing on the cake. We need to have a competition as to who can make more classes, PWC or IMSA. A suggestion, add GT4 Pro as a class in Weathertech and have three championships for them too. I know that GT2 has to be on the next class for consideration. |
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4 Aug 2018, 22:07 (Ref:3841487) | #6 | ||
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I think he was being sarcastic.
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5 Aug 2018, 08:27 (Ref:3841542) | #7 | |
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Wow .... that is embarrassing. I guess I was too blinded by my own bitterness to see it. ugh.
It is actually pretty obvious, looking back. When I first read the post, I just thought, "There is someone with whom I disagree strongly, but I won't pick a huge fight." Glad I didn't. |
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6 Aug 2018, 13:02 (Ref:3841838) | #8 | |
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Why not make all of the end plates have an item just like for track position? Then it will have the driver ranking listed as to who is driving the car at the time. That way, the fans would be more involved because when the see a P, they know they will be able to take a break and go to the bathroom. When there's a B, they know they can start the "office pool" as to when the next FCY comes out.
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7 Aug 2018, 14:33 (Ref:3842115) | #9 | |
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As unfortunate as it is from a corner worker perspective that Petit 2019 and the Runoffs 2019 are scheduled on the same weekend, it's no big deal at all as it might affect only 25 or so corner workers who won't be able to attend them both. No one is gonna reschedule for that.
I don't see a lot of overlap between the two events either but fail to understand why one should choice between Pro and Club racing - both have their charms and between the two there's plenty to enjoy and dislike at the same time. |
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Now for the overlap it will depend on the support series running and how many of those drivers are also regular SCCA drivers also. As more than likely PLM will be the finally for any support series. If a driver isn't in the running for a title and has a shot at a Runoffs win they will more than likely go for the Runoffs to save money and have a shot at a Runoffs win. |
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I agree about the draw on workers and potentially drivers, but also the contingency support people, i.e. tires, brakes, lubricants, electronics, etc. |
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7 Aug 2018, 16:38 (Ref:3842143) | #12 | ||
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Basically we are not allowed to respond to any incident on track and are to be kept behind the wall at all times except between on-track sessions even then its at race controls discretion. Most SCCA races/tracks allow for us to respond and VIR is one of them. One example of this is the GTD Viper fire in 2014 at Sebring. Workers were nearby and were ready to respond but couldn't because of IMSA's rules. The same applies to debris on track when we would have more than enough of a gap to get it but aren't allowed to. Another is that in SCCA is if the car was far enough off track and in a safe area (usually from a mechanical) we would leave the car till the next needed caution in an endurance race or would get the car between on-track sessions. All of these examples are some of the NASCARification of the series to allow for more cautions to allow for closer (i.e. manufactured) racing which is taking the endurance aspect out.
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7 Aug 2018, 17:08 (Ref:3842154) | #13 | ||
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Wow, thanks!
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8 Aug 2018, 12:31 (Ref:3842307) | #14 | |
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I must have missed the threads on here discussing SSCA runoffs, the articles discussing the on track action, the reviews after?? Or is that you not understanding a relative scale of things. I did not say the SCCA runoffs don't matter, to me they don't and I could not possibly care any less, but that would take you actually reading what I wrote. Instead what I said what in relation to fan impact, show me proof that an appreciable number of fans are sitting at home now deciding between attending the runoffs and Petit, oh wait, is that because you can't because even those post here couldn't tell you a single thing about the run-offs, what's racing or even how it is formatted. Just because something else is bigger doesn't mean the other is useless. It can mean it's not as important to the other's management and frankly I don't think IMSA gives a rat's behind about SCCA nor should they. But if you feel offended that oh no, someone doesn't think your thing is as important, well I can't help you with that at all.
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8 Aug 2018, 17:31 (Ref:3842376) | #15 | |
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Forgive my ignorance on this subject - but the US has so many series and there are clashes every week. Why is it only an issue with SCCA runoffs and IMSA?
The UK found enough corner workers (just) to run ELMS/WEC, British GT and British SuperBikes on the same weekend. In the thousands of miles between SCCA Runoffs and Petit Le Mans, there aren't enough available corner workers to man both? And whilst I understand the issue IMSA has with allowing corner works on tracks, I don't see why this reduces the number of available workers? Would allowing them on tracks increase worker numbers? Not arguing - literally do not understand why this is a problem we're discussing. |
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For 2018 they are on different coasts and not a big issue getting workers for both. For 2019 the distance between the tracks is only 347 miles. As for working on track, yes if we were allowed to respond on track there would be more workers willing to work IMSA races. This is a known problem as both PLM and Daytona have seen a decrease in workers (especially international workers) since they started the policy of not being able to respond. It should be pretty clear that when a worker that is less than an hour from Road Atlanta doesn't want to work PLM but would rather work the Runoffs at VIR that their is an issue (for information that same worker has worked PLM for the last couple of years straight). |
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9 Aug 2018, 14:45 (Ref:3842545) | #18 | ||
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I heard nothing from Scott about how they're going to improve and unclutter their website. I'm highly disappointed.
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10 Aug 2018, 13:15 (Ref:3842782) | #20 | |
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The web site does stink. Bad design for sure. Other than the live in car streaming during the race I only go there because sometimes the entry list is posted there before any of the media sites like sportscar365 post it. VIR entry list is up. No Risi Ferrari :-(
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8 Aug 2018, 23:48 (Ref:3842418) | #21 | |
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I find this entire line of discussion kind of ridiculous in light of all the consternation about F1/WEC/IMSA schedule conflicts, as if the people those decisions were being made for have ever heard of something called "Petit Le Mans" either.
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9 Aug 2018, 08:23 (Ref:3842448) | #22 | |
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im half sleep and been following this thread for awhile and im sorry about punctuation and spelling but Im a former circle track racer and trying to get into sports car racing and have been to PLM the last 4 years. I adore road atlanta and that race I go to Sebring and VIR and PLM every year but as of this moment im leaning towards going to VIR for the runoffs as a spectator its only a hour and half down the road versus 7 and god knows I feel for the corner workers but I have a group of seven people and all but one of us are leaning toward VIR granted things could change
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14 Aug 2018, 04:37 (Ref:3843514) | #23 | ||
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Akrapovic, UK population density is ~700/sq-mi, while for the US it's ~85. Also, travel distances there will be less.
On the topic, I wouldn't mind Portland, though I'd prefer a return to the 2.52-mile layout at Sears Point myself. The GT events are nice, but part of me definitely wants to see the Prototypes back at VIR; I'd be curious to see a GT-only race at Barber. |
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14 Aug 2018, 06:17 (Ref:3843518) | #24 | ||
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How can the US have a MUCH larger population, and not enough marshals to run two events together? |
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14 Aug 2018, 08:11 (Ref:3843527) | #25 | ||
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The overall population doesn't really matter; it's how many people there are within the localized region who are willing to travel the given distance. In the UK, there simply are more people within the relevant radius of the circuit(s) in question.
And as was also pointed out, it wouldn't be an issue if, like this year, the two events are on opposite sides of the country (generally quoted as 3,000 miles across), but next year, VIR and Road Atlanta are only ~350 miles apart. |
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