The movable wing from F1

renaultbel · 2 Feb 2011, 19:20 (Ref:2824720)

This movie shows exactly how this new backwings work on the Formule 1 cars ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYnUZHjl2Xs

source: F1journaal.be

Morris Dancer · 3 Feb 2011, 15:25 (Ref:2825187)

Is it a racing car or an aeroplane on final approach? Just ridiculous.

RF_Racer · 3 Feb 2011, 15:32 (Ref:2825189)

If the wing does not close and the driver approaches a fast corner it could end in a disaster... do they have any fail safe systems? should the hydraulic pressure/pump faili?

E.B · 3 Feb 2011, 15:55 (Ref:2825200)

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Originally Posted by RF_Racer

do they have any fail safe systems?

Yeah they do.

They are called run off areas, or if you are unlucky a gravel trap or armco.

RF_Racer · 3 Feb 2011, 16:35 (Ref:2825216)

They should have a spring setup should the hydraulic pressure is lost, the spring closes the top flat to regain downforce.

F.O.F. · 3 Feb 2011, 18:33 (Ref:2825274)

I'm pretty sure the default position should there be a loss of control of the wing is closed. They're not that thick.

Marbot · 3 Feb 2011, 18:36 (Ref:2825278)

The flap defaults to the normal full downforce position in the event of an hydraulic or electrical failure.

E.B · 3 Feb 2011, 21:01 (Ref:2825353)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

The flap defaults to the normal full downforce position in the event of an hydraulic or electrical failure.

Sounds tailor made for Webber's Valencia move to be repeated..... the car behind hits the KERS as the guy in front has his wing go to full deflection from flat should grab a few peoples attention.

(Maybe Felipe should try that one if Ferrari give him the 'Fernando is quicker line'......

)

**Adam43** · 3 Feb 2011, 21:14 (Ref:2825360)

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Originally Posted by E.B

Sounds tailor made for Webber's Valencia move to be repeated..... the car behind hits the KERS as the guy in front has his wing go to full deflection from flat should grab a few peoples attention.

Why would the driver ahead put his wing down when someone was hitting KERS? One will be at the end of the straight, one at the beginning.
If you are refering to a wing failure, well the driver ahead could have a engine failure, or complete wing failure, or puncture.

Or shall we just get rid of any speed differential?

I dare say a driver like Webber won't pay attention when he hits the KERS button.

Quote:

(Maybe Felipe should try that one if Ferrari give him the 'Fernando is quicker line'......

)

Perhaps, except team orders are fully kosher again.

chillibowl · 3 Feb 2011, 22:04 (Ref:2825387)

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89266

so the rules are saying that the wing can only be used (during the race) in a specified zone at the end of the main long straight...dont we already see most of the overtaking moves in these braking zones already? im not sure i see the point of making overtaking easier here and ignoring the problem over the rest of the lap other than i might be inclined to pick a different grandstand to sit in during the Canadian GP.

it would be nice if the teams could work together during winter testing to showcase the benefits of this wing or tweak the system as opposed to fiddling around with over the course of the season.

manwell · 3 Feb 2011, 23:05 (Ref:2825415)

So ive read all about the movable wing, certain overtaking zones at each track, only can be activated when within 1 second of the car in front.

My question is, say Alonso comes up behind Vettel, gets to within 1 second, activates the movable wing in the overtaking zone.
As soon as Alonsos nose gets in front of Vettels, can Vettel then activate his wing as he would then be the driver behind?

Marbot · 3 Feb 2011, 23:44 (Ref:2825432)

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Originally Posted by manwell

My question is, say Alonso comes up behind Vettel, gets to within 1 second, activates the movable wing in the overtaking zone.
As soon as Alonsos nose gets in front of Vettels, can Vettel then activate his wing as he would then be the driver behind?

Technically, yes. In practice, probably not.

By the time Alonso has overtaken Vettel (as unlikely as that may be

) in the 600 metre zone at the end of the straight, both of them will then be thinking about how they are going to slow down. Operating the brake pedal then cancels the movable wing function.

I think that having the 600 metre zone is specifically to allow just enough distance for one overtaking move.

Alex Hodgkinson · 4 Feb 2011, 14:32 (Ref:2825690)

What a stupid idea this is.

Not movable wings, but the regulations about when they can be used.

F1 is making a mockery of proper motorsport.

On the plus side, I gain 3 hours per weekend this year!!

JeremySmith · 4 Feb 2011, 15:45 (Ref:2825735)

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Originally Posted by Morris Dancer

Is it a racing car or an aeroplane on final approach? Just ridiculous.

I think you will find that idea includes both....

Marbot · 4 Feb 2011, 17:10 (Ref:2825791)

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Originally Posted by Alex Hodgkinson

F1 is making a mockery of proper motorsport.

And what's that then? Because one man's meat is another man's poison.

Some would say that cars shouldn't have 'wings' at all.

willb · 4 Feb 2011, 17:26 (Ref:2825803)

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Originally Posted by Alex Hodgkinson

What a stupid idea this is.

Not movable wings, but the regulations about when they can be used.

F1 is making a mockery of proper motorsport.

On the plus side, I gain 3 hours per weekend this year!!

I agree that the FIA rules about when and where it can be used are ridiculous. They also add a lot of extra button pushing for the drivers.

Marbot · 4 Feb 2011, 17:38 (Ref:2825811)

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Originally Posted by willb

I agree that the FIA rules about when and where it can be used are ridiculous.

The rules may be adjusted so that the drivers can use the wing all of the time, not at all or something more appropriate that's in between. Give it chance.

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Originally Posted by willb

They also add a lot of extra button pushing for the drivers.

Poor things. Could get a blister or something.

fourWheelDrift · 4 Feb 2011, 18:27 (Ref:2825841)

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Originally Posted by willb

I agree that the FIA rules about when and where it can be used are ridiculous. They also add a lot of extra button pushing for the drivers.

I too think it's absurd, I thought the per lap time limit on using KERS was silly and artificial but that was simple and logical compared to this farce.

Marbot · 4 Feb 2011, 19:26 (Ref:2825880)

I guess it would have been easy to allow KERS to be used when and where the driver wanted to use it. But then we would have had a championship won by the car with the best KERS. Some would have liked that, I guess.

At least everyone can afford a movable flap, and its implementation is still open to adjustment.

Pirelli are also currently 'dicking around' with the tyres. But if you don't want them to be "artificial", they can also make some that can last a whole weekend!

Alex Hodgkinson · 4 Feb 2011, 19:36 (Ref:2825890)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

And what's that then? Because one man's meat is another man's poison.

It's just artificial and I hate artificial.

F1 is the Katie Price of the motorsport world.

Infact I'd go as far as saying that F1 is now an anti-motorsport.

And yes, Pirelli should stop dicking about making tyres that suit the show rather than the best they are capable of. I bet if they put their best into it they could make a tyre that lasted a few race weekends.

What really annoys me now is that F1 doesn't add anything to the world any more. It's not pushing boundries, it's all about "the show" - they're selling a entertainment package now rather than racing to prove who has the best ideas.

It's a whole load of crap.

Marbot · 4 Feb 2011, 20:15 (Ref:2825905)

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Originally Posted by Alex Hodgkinson

It's just artificial and I hate artificial.

Many things in F1 have been "artificial". Even back in the fifties, if your car broke down, you jumped in your team mates!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Hodgkinson

F1 is the Katie Price of the motorsport world.

Steady on now! Although......

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Hodgkinson

Infact I'd go as far as saying that F1 is now an anti-motorsport.

That's blown it!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Hodgkinson

And yes, Pirelli should stop dicking about making tyres that suit the show rather than the best they are capable of. I bet if they put their best into it they could make a tyre that lasted a few race weekends.

I bet they could. But then imagine what all the focus of a race weekend would be on.

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Originally Posted by Alex Hodgkinson

What really annoys me now is that F1 doesn't add anything to the world any more. It's not pushing boundries, it's all about "the show" - they're selling a entertainment package now rather than racing to prove who has the best ideas.

I don't think that F1 really did add much to the world from a technical point of view. Speeding things up a bit, maybe. Added....not really.

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Originally Posted by Alex Hodgkinson

It's a whole load of crap.

There goes the neighbourhood!

ASCII Man · 4 Feb 2011, 21:57 (Ref:2825934)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

I don't think that F1 really did add much to the world from a technical point of view. Speeding things up a bit, maybe. Added....not really.

Whats the point of all this "road relevant" and "going green" bull****, then?

Just to please very small but noisy lobby groups?

**bjohnsonsmith** · 4 Feb 2011, 22:30 (Ref:2825944)

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Originally Posted by ASCII Man

Whats the point of all this "road relevant" and "going green" bull****, then?

Just to please very small but noisy lobby groups?

It's just lip service; F1 has never been about green. The nearest it has come to going green is having a few cars liveried in British racing green.

Alex Hodgkinson · 4 Feb 2011, 23:41 (Ref:2825976)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

Many things in F1 have been "artificial". Even back in the fifties, if your car broke down, you jumped in your team mates

I don't see that as artificial, just sensible team play. It also wasn't as common as you make out, only the clear #1 drivers had this privilege, just the Fangios and Mosses.

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Originally Posted by Marbot

I don't think that F1 really did add much to the world from a technical point of view. Speeding things up a bit, maybe. Added....not really.

I think it's had a huge impact in the past, although not necessarily directly. It was, essentially a huge research and development exercise and through it so many interesting and useful technologies, methods of manufacture and construction were developed.

Not any more though, F1 has very much lost it's way. In my opinion, it is having an identity crisis.. granted, a lot of other motorsports are too, probably mostly because the FIA seem to have lost their way over the last decade.

I hate this façade that F1 is trying to become more cost-effective/green/enviromentally friendly (delete as appropriate) I honestly don't know what they are trying to achieve with all of the changes of late.

Personally, I really miss the days where after a season long battle, Ferrari and Mclaren would turn up at Suzuka having done 10 straight days of testing at their chosen venus.. Special qualifying engines fitted, the cars would go out and qualify just a few 10ths apart.

It was bloody brilliant!

wnut · 5 Feb 2011, 02:40 (Ref:2825996)

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Originally Posted by Alex Hodgkinson

It's just artificial and I hate artificial.

F1 is the Katie Price of the motorsport world.

Infact I'd go as far as saying that F1 is now an anti-motorsport.

And yes, Pirelli should stop dicking about making tyres that suit the show rather than the best they are capable of. I bet if they put their best into it they could make a tyre that lasted a few race weekends.

What really annoys me now is that F1 doesn't add anything to the world any more. It's not pushing boundries, it's all about "the show" - they're selling a entertainment package now rather than racing to prove who has the best ideas.

It's a whole load of crap.

I think I am about where you ate except I don't have your faith in Pirelli's ability to produce a lasting tyre.

F1 has become a cynical parody of motor racing!

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