Toro Rosso seat n2? - Page 3

jsTrecu · 10 Sep 2013, 17:13 (Ref:3301561)

Tost said it's down to AFDC, CS Jr and Kvyat, but that Sainz is still too young.
I think Antonio will get it.

ace007 · 11 Sep 2013, 16:28 (Ref:3302191)

Not good enough. I bet they will get somebody outside of the RB ladder until Kvyat is ready...

321Go · 12 Sep 2013, 06:58 (Ref:3302545)

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Originally Posted by ace007

Not good enough. I bet they will get somebody outside of the RB ladder until Kvyat is ready...

Is Sam Bird available?

ace007 · 12 Sep 2013, 08:42 (Ref:3302586)

Not as far as I know. The Merc contract is quite explicit in that they would back him in a merc-powered team only. Makes sense. But that would be awesome, wouldnt it? A brit representing RB! Cool as ever! With his extra skills off-track, it would make sales explode in the UK!!

321Go · 12 Sep 2013, 09:23 (Ref:3302604)

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Originally Posted by ace007

Not as far as I know. The Merc contract is quite explicit in that they would back him in a merc-powered team only. Makes sense. But that would be awesome, wouldnt it? A brit representing RB! Cool as ever! With his extra skills off-track, it would make sales explode in the UK!!

Ahhhh... what a shame.

Now, what if Maldonado takes his bags of money and moves to Lotus next year? That would open up a seat at Williams for Sam Bird right?? Can he fit in there somehow? He has to, right??

ace007 · 12 Sep 2013, 10:23 (Ref:3302625)

haha... You seem rather slightly more switched on today! I like your thinking. Keep it up. Williams do rate him but can't say no more for now...

Thread is nevertheless on TR n2 seat when possible

Biscuits In A Red Bull · 12 Sep 2013, 17:49 (Ref:3302896)

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Originally Posted by Razzzor

I feel sorry for Ellinas though, his season has turned to rubbish like Coletti.

The only difference between Ellinas and Coletti in their seasons is that Ellinas' downfall has been nothing to do with him, just others' actions.

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Originally Posted by ace007

Not good enough. I bet they will get somebody outside of the RB ladder until Kvyat is ready...

What's the point of that? da Costa has proven himself pretty well and, although it seems that Kyvat might actually go places, despite a torrid Silverstone test, I think that the only way to find out how good AFDC is is to place him next to Vergne. JEV now has good experience, and, with Kvyat and Sainz Jr still fighting up the ranks, he should surely be able to hone his speed to create a more consistent season. da Costa should be able to learn well and if he can hang onto JEV at the start and start to beat him by mid-season, then he could be an exciting prospect. Plus, we need a Portugese guy on the grid

Gingers4Justice · 12 Sep 2013, 18:31 (Ref:3302918)

I think AFDC has shown enough ability to deserve a chance with the team that is.....well, just another chance really. We're talking about the B team here.

Da Costa is three years his senior and it won't take three years to find out if he's cut it or not. But that's how young Kyvat is. He needs a season in GP2 first I think.

Yes, da Costa's having a pretty poor season but Lady Luck has contributed it to that.

I thought the whole point in STR is putting faith in drivers and I think that's what the Portuguese really needs right now.

ace007 · 13 Sep 2013, 08:47 (Ref:3303214)

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Originally Posted by Biscuits In A Red Bull

The only difference between Ellinas and Coletti in their seasons is that Ellinas' downfall has been nothing to do with him, just others' actions.

What's the point of that? da Costa has proven himself pretty well and, although it seems that Kyvat might actually go places, despite a torrid Silverstone test, I think that the only way to find out how good AFDC is is to place him next to Vergne. JEV now has good experience, and, with Kvyat and Sainz Jr still fighting up the ranks, he should surely be able to hone his speed to create a more consistent season. da Costa should be able to learn well and if he can hang onto JEV at the start and start to beat him by mid-season, then he could be an exciting prospect. Plus, we need a Portugese guy on the grid

I agree that Da costa is the most ready in the RB ladder but I wander if by sticking to that line, TR is never showing its real potential. Why can't you throw in a Kovaleinen or even a Bianchi to see where Vergne stands? No doubting JEV but trying to think outside the box and not being obliged to pick in the RB basket.

ace007 · 13 Sep 2013, 08:50 (Ref:3303216)

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Originally Posted by Biscuits In A Red Bull

The only difference between Ellinas and Coletti in their seasons is that Ellinas' downfall has been nothing to do with him, just others' actions.

What's the point of that? da Costa has proven himself pretty well and, although it seems that Kyvat might actually go places, despite a torrid Silverstone test, I think that the only way to find out how good AFDC is is to place him next to Vergne. JEV now has good experience, and, with Kvyat and Sainz Jr still fighting up the ranks, he should surely be able to hone his speed to create a more consistent season. da Costa should be able to learn well and if he can hang onto JEV at the start and start to beat him by mid-season, then he could be an exciting prospect. Plus, we need a Portugese guy on the grid

I agree that Da costa is the most ready in the RB ladder but I wander if by sticking to that line, TR is never showing its real potential. Why can't you throw in a Kovaleinen or even a Bianchi to see where Vergne stands? No doubting JEV but trying to think outside the box and not being obliged to pick in the RB basket. Let da Costa win the WSR next year and by then you have your number!

Mekola · 14 Sep 2013, 19:36 (Ref:3303964)

Some time ago checked that "Felix" in Felix Da Costa is part of his surname; this guy might be forced to do the same to bold his surname as Castroneves did, in order to be named properly.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 14 Sep 2013, 21:04 (Ref:3303998)

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Originally Posted by Mekola

Some time ago checked that "Felix" in Felix Da Costa is part of his surname; this guy might be forced to do the same to bold his surname as Castroneves did, in order to be named properly.

Or as Senna did, his full name being Ayrton Senna da Silva.

**Bononi** · 14 Sep 2013, 21:45 (Ref:3304003)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Or as Senna did, his full name being Ayrton Senna da Silva.

Silva is the most common surname in Brazil (as Smith?), so it makes sense.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 14 Sep 2013, 23:45 (Ref:3304041)

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Originally Posted by Bononi

Silva is the most common surname in Brazil (as Smith?), so it makes sense.

Ty for the explanation,

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ace007 · 16 Sep 2013, 07:33 (Ref:3304563)

Good drive yesterday from da Costa in the dry, contrary to Saturday's mistake in the wet. Is that enough to seal the TR seat?

p-matt · 16 Sep 2013, 11:34 (Ref:3304642)

I think Felix da Costa had the seat in the bag anyway because they have no one else. They've said it will be a RB Junior, and they've said Sainz and Kvyat are too young. Both are a bit too wild and inconsistent anyway. They are just trying to put pressure on Antonio.

ace007 · 16 Sep 2013, 16:39 (Ref:3304738)

Don't think it is done yet. Needs a couple more wins to make it look like graduating on merit. With Renault power coming on board, anybody betting on Pic?

Marbot · 16 Sep 2013, 17:14 (Ref:3304753)

With both Red Bull teams having Renault power for next season, it's even less likely that Red Bull will be looking for anyone outside of its own driver academy.

But all I really want from this partnership is the possibility of a French GP.

**Bononi** · 16 Sep 2013, 18:34 (Ref:3304798)

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But all I really want from this partnership is the possibility of a French GP.

Any special reason ?

JeremySmith · 16 Sep 2013, 18:37 (Ref:3304800)

we need a French Grand Prix don't we ....

Marbot · 16 Sep 2013, 18:54 (Ref:3304811)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

we need a French Grand Prix don't we ....

That reason. It baffles me that we have 20 races in a season, but not one in the country that gave us Grand Prix in the first place!

Even Magny-cours would be better than nothing and certainly better than any Korean/Chinese/Bahrain GP ever could be with regard to the general participation of people who would go to pay and see it.

Somewhat off topic now.

Beryl · 16 Sep 2013, 19:21 (Ref:3304821)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

Even Magny-cours would be better than nothing and certainly better than any Korean/Chinese/Bahrain GP ever could be with regard to the general participation of people who would go to pay and see it.

At least Shanghai generally provides fantastic races nearly every year. Magny-Cours was generally boring, not unlike Bahrain.

In principle, I'd agree F1 very much needs a French GP, but in terms of the circuits (the options are Magny-Cours and Paul Ricard, good tracks but not what F1 needs right now), it's not in a good place.

JeremySmith · 16 Sep 2013, 19:27 (Ref:3304825)

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Originally Posted by Beryl

At least Shanghai generally provides fantastic races nearly every year. Magny-Cours was generally boring, not unlike Bahrain.

In principle, I'd agree F1 very much needs a French GP, but in terms of the circuits (the options are Magny-Cours and Paul Ricard, good tracks but not what F1 needs right now), it's not in a good place.

I agree F1 is not in "a good place"

ace007 · 17 Sep 2013, 10:35 (Ref:3305131)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

I agree F1 is not in "a good place"

This is somehow off the title thread but it is a valid discussion: F1 is actually leaving Europe as the fees are not realistic for any Western European countries. You see Spa struggling, German Gps under pressure just like the Spanish ones... Monza has its favored treatment thanks to Ferrari. France could never face Bernie's increase and had to let go, unfortunately.

In addition, France is fully directed in environmental friendly campaigns so it even looks bad and politically incorrect for sponsors to be associated with the sport...

Marbot · 17 Sep 2013, 10:48 (Ref:3305138)

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Originally Posted by ace007

In addition, France is fully directed in environmental friendly campaigns so it even looks bad and politically incorrect for sponsors to be associated with the sport...

This is precisely why Renault were fully behind the new regulations. They had to make an effort to appeal to sponsors who were moving with the times.

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