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Old 29 Sep 2003, 17:23 (Ref:734288)   #1
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Do you think F1 will keep the 3litrev10 formula in the not to distant future or adopt a new formula?
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Old 29 Sep 2003, 18:04 (Ref:734350)   #2
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If the manufacturers get their way, the formula won't change any time soon. With the amount of time, money, manpower, and all the other resources they pour into engine development, they surely won't want to change the rules and start all over again...
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Old 29 Sep 2003, 20:19 (Ref:734510)   #3
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Yes indeed. Half of them will probably leave if it's changed, in a similar way to CART.
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Old 29 Sep 2003, 20:25 (Ref:734516)   #4
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Recently (a couple of months ago) there were looking into 2.5l engines.
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Old 29 Sep 2003, 22:19 (Ref:734607)   #5
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They should keep the limit to 3l, but allow different engines like a V8, V12 or V16.
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Old 30 Sep 2003, 00:12 (Ref:734678)   #6
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As adam siad,recently they allmost changed to V8 2.5 litres.The idea being that they would just drop 2 cyl's and all else would be very similar.
BMW were the only ones not wanting it i think as they have some V10 road cars coming out soon
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Old 30 Sep 2003, 07:32 (Ref:734908)   #7
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... or esorniloc, a W12
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Old 30 Sep 2003, 08:00 (Ref:734938)   #8
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Not sure that the 2.5l proposal really went anywhere.

If it was to reduce speed/increase safety, there are much cheaper ways of going about it (less aero, slicks, higher min weight limit)

Pardon my ignorance, but can't a manufacturer build a V8 or V12 now?
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Old 30 Sep 2003, 08:37 (Ref:734960)   #9
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It's a shame that V12's don't exist any more. The screamof the V12 Ferrari against the V10's was astonishing. As far as I know, the V12 was abolished by the team due to reliability instead of due to rule changes. Is this correct?

As long as teams stick with the 3 litre capacity, I don't see why number of cylinders can't be free. Surely a V16 will produce smoother power than a V10, and will actually help the develop more reliable engine technology.
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Old 30 Sep 2003, 09:44 (Ref:735030)   #10
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I think there is a maximum of 10 cylinders allowed, almost everyone except rari were using 10 cylinders. Rari favoured refueling for this reason i think.
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Old 30 Sep 2003, 09:48 (Ref:735038)   #11
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the concorde agreement allows no more than 10 cyliners
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Old 30 Sep 2003, 10:32 (Ref:735073)   #12
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V10's are only allowed. Toyota were building a V12 for there entry a few years ago, and right at the last minute the powers that be banned them. This is why they delayed a year. Ferrari were also looking at a V12 at this point. Many teams believe the disadvantages with the V12 have all but gone now, while a V8 is no good.
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Old 30 Sep 2003, 13:01 (Ref:735230)   #13
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They probably couldnt get a V8 to rev like a V10 right now... and with TC allowed, the quirkier response of the V10 is not really a handicap as opposed to a V8. I doubt we would see a V8 unless it was mandated...
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There are other factors that may make you chose a different configuration, if allowed. Fuel economy, wieght and power as examples. Some favour more cylinders, some less. A few years ago V10 was teh best comprimise, I wonder what it is now?
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I still say the 'metered flow fuel valve' idea proposed by (i think)cosworth is a great solution to power output dilemma.No they won't run out of fuel like in the eighties and it does FORCE them to get the most power per gram of fuel.f1 would again have some usefull relevance to car makers again
If the engines are getting to powerfull,the fia just mandates a reduction in fuel flow....how simple is that?!!
Of course the fia won't do that because they have NO clue

And while on the subject of no clue....mario illien,cheif of the merc engine wants f1 to 'recycle' power(ie. turning braking energy into acceleration energy)
A nice future solution at first glance...except it does absolutally NOTHING for the future.It's a one time only solution.Besides the carmakers have no need for technology in that direction.
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