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Old 18 Nov 2008, 08:02 (Ref:2336836)   #16
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The championship winning Shell Falcons of Johnson and Bowe had bonnets that were one inch shorter than standard to allow for better airflow into the engine's intake.

The results stood that year although DJR were forced to run the normal length bonnets once the irregularity was discovered.
In 96 it came to light that a number of Ford (and possibly Holden) teams were running lighter than normal body and window panels. Think it all came to light when during a startline start at Waneroo when Bowe was pushed into Wayne Gardner and eyebrows were raised at the ease with which it gave way. Again no one was penalised, but all cars were rectified from the next round.
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Old 19 Nov 2008, 00:31 (Ref:2337352)   #17
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Think this one was production racing based but there have been stories of cars being able to adjust the rev limit by changing the radio station on the stereo........
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Old 19 Nov 2008, 01:06 (Ref:2337372)   #18
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Sorry to be a bit off thread, but this is a great article about cheating in NASCAR in the early days.....the king of reading between the lines in the rule book was the late Smokey Yunick.

A good laugh! http://www.circletrack.com/ultimater...ick/index.html
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Old 19 Nov 2008, 02:08 (Ref:2337383)   #19
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In 96 it came to light that a number of Ford (and possibly Holden) teams were running lighter than normal body and window panels. Think it all came to light when during a startline start at Waneroo when Bowe was pushed into Wayne Gardner and eyebrows were raised at the ease with which it gave way. Again no one was penalised, but all cars were rectified from the next round.
Yes, that was Wanneroo in 1995 at the start of the Peter Jackson Dash.

The story is outlined in the 1995 edition of The Great Race. The story goes that the category scrutineer was at one of the major Ford team workshops when he noticed that all the new body panels had 'do not lean here' (or words to that effect) tags on them. Panels that had come straight from the factory... A panelbeater by trade, the scrutineer knew that something wasn't right.

After some investigation, it was found that Ford had been producing special thinner-gauge glass, panels, and - gasp! - bodyshells since the inception of the category. This meant that every Ford Falcon racecar built for the category using a Ford Motorsport bodyshell (which was all of them except Garry Willmington's, who had built his from a road car) was technically illegal! And this was only weeks before Bathurst!

(As an aside, Holden admitted to doing much the same thing, but had allegedly stopped the practice before Ford's indiscretions came to light.)

The reason for this was to get the Falcon - a heavier car than the Commodore - down to the minimum weight. The solution was to make the illegal cars carry ballast whilst letting them continue competing, as banning them this close to the biggest race of the year would have been disasterous for Ford, Holden, the category, and the entire event.

It makes you think about some of the early-build Falcons that were written off in accidents over the years, particularly Johnson's car at Bathurst in '93.

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Old 19 Nov 2008, 20:24 (Ref:2337915)   #20
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One that I've from time to time is the old Halon fire bomb mounted in front of the intercooler. Was used a lot at the start of Conrod to get the extra grunt and speed. Drive would just set the fire bomb off inside via the regular switch.
Now we know why the hole in the Ozone Layer is so big

Slightly off topic (not Grp A/C) but a Stewards finding was left posted on the notice board at Bathurst for nearly 2 years that found a Mustang was fitted with an illegal brake bias control set up to look like the ciggie lighter on the dash.

Another old trick with the Group E VL turbo Commodores was to fit a resistor in line with one of the sensor wires hidden in the wiring loom it had the effect of increasing the turbo boost
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Old 19 Nov 2008, 23:46 (Ref:2338066)   #21
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Didn't Larry have brake lights that will go on a little after he applied the middle pedal, to try and suck people behind him into going a little deep under brakes?
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Old 20 Nov 2008, 00:17 (Ref:2338070)   #22
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Didn't help him when the flaggies worked out he was using them as his turn in marker for Dandy Rd several years ago so they moved the point closer to the corner mid session and he ended up in the gravel trap
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Old 20 Nov 2008, 09:14 (Ref:2338216)   #23
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The A9X Torana run by Bob Jane & Pete Geoghegan was reputedly one of six
(6) dipped in acid bath to reduce weight. (Story in Muscle Car mag some time back)
Gave Pete his last ATCC round win at Sandown if I remember correctly - shades of Seto driving a Holden albeit 20 years earlier.

If we can get Thunder Road out from under Bobs Camaro maybe he give us the real story, or maybe his lips remain sealed. Wasnt very forthcoming on the Muscle Car story !!
Teams have been acid dipping race car shells for ages.. Its not illegal.. It was normally done when a doner car/shell was used which had previously been painted primed etc.. I have not had a lot of saloon car experience, but would think "lightening" a shell would loose rigidty and adversely affect handling? I know rollover structures are now very extensive, but surely the shell still has some input into its integrity?
Don't agree with cheating, but do think that ingenuity is great as per the moffat story, pumping up fuel tank to fit wider tyres.
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Old 20 Nov 2008, 10:17 (Ref:2338244)   #24
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Wasn't that why Mick Webb used to get in Moff's mazda at the end of every race win - to disconnect all the illegal stuff?????
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Old 20 Nov 2008, 10:24 (Ref:2338252)   #25
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Old 20 Nov 2008, 21:03 (Ref:2338549)   #26
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Wasn't that why Mick Webb used to get in Moff's mazda at the end of every race win - to disconnect all the illegal stuff?????
So how would he have disconnected the rumored sealed and pressurized roll cage that Allan had filled with Nitrous?? Fair effort for the fabricators to build a cage that could be filled with Nitrous and hold it.
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Old 20 Nov 2008, 21:04 (Ref:2338550)   #27
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In group A days it wasnt a case of what car was illegal, more a case of which one was legal.... answer.... none. Everyone had there own 'modification' depending on what drand you ran. Commodores could not fit the max sized tyres inside standard rear gaurds so they were all tubbed to some degree, the other brands were the same. Everyone knew what was going on and it was condoned as a way to get everyone on the track. almost self regulated. but there were a lot of non standard items.....
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One trick I heard of in the VK group A era was that teams would cut the inlet manifold in half, port it right out & then weld it back together.
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I don't want to take this great thread off topic, but does much of this happen nowadays? These ingenious designs are part of motorsport in my opinion, but I guess if you don't know its happening, you can't get much of a thrill out of it. You only find out years later.
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what was it?..... " turn your oil pump off craig"..... has to mean more than meets the eye
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