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Old 14 Jun 2006, 13:22 (Ref:1634308)   #1
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TC on the R10

I rember during the 12 hours of Sebring that the Audi R10 didnt have TC during the race. Cause Audi didnt devlop for the diesel engine. Do they have it for le mans?
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Old 14 Jun 2006, 13:46 (Ref:1634328)   #2
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As far as i know , no . They were complaining about torque at a recent interview . They wouldnt be if they had TC . But they do have TK !!!
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Old 14 Jun 2006, 13:54 (Ref:1634336)   #3
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I thought the torque was electronically limited in the lower gears.

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Old 14 Jun 2006, 13:55 (Ref:1634337)   #4
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I read in the AutoWeek (dutch mag) today that since they don't hear the engine from 3rd gear on they've got a lightbar in the cockpit indicating the amount of wheelspin they have. I'd say that means they don't use TC.
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Old 14 Jun 2006, 14:00 (Ref:1634341)   #5
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I read in the AutoWeek (dutch mag) today that since they don't hear the engine from 3rd gear on they've got a lightbar in the cockpit indicating the amount of wheelspin they have. I'd say that means they don't use TC.
That's what caused the Group Bio Diesel Lola to crash out at Silverstone earlier this year. The driver was completely unaware of the wheelspin.
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Old 14 Jun 2006, 14:27 (Ref:1634357)   #6
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No TC, all that torque and the possibility of the odd shower (sorry Ayse ) could mean a chink in the Audi armour has been found. Could we see them pirouetting (no pun intended!!!) out of arnage???
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Old 14 Jun 2006, 15:55 (Ref:1634403)   #7
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Hmmmm, a few days testing at Paul Ricard last week, with the circuit sprinklers turned on, will, I think, have meant that they have the problem fully under control.

Does anyone really think that Audi won't have some form of TC on the R10 for Le Mans? I mean, really?
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Old 14 Jun 2006, 15:59 (Ref:1634406)   #8
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Well, maybe not, but at least one can hope!
Anything to slow the Vorspung cars down every now and then!!
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Old 14 Jun 2006, 16:14 (Ref:1634418)   #9
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I think driver errors will occur more easily with the R10 than with the R8. Lots of weight behind the driver making heavy breaking and acceleration out of corners more dangerous and they will have to watch the wheel spin LED all the time
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Old 14 Jun 2006, 16:37 (Ref:1634431)   #10
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But if it rains this weekend would the R10 off the pace because ever one but them will have TC
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Old 14 Jun 2006, 16:38 (Ref:1634432)   #11
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I think driver errors will occur more easily with the R10 than with the R8. Lots of weight behind the driver making heavy breaking and acceleration out of corners more dangerous and they will have to watch the wheel spin LED all the time
You're still imagining that the drivers will just have an LED to tell them their wheels are breaking traction.

After the amount of testing they've done since Sebring (no R10 was reported to have spun at the test day, yet they had 12 in Florida) they'll have that problem cured, or as near as they damn well can.

You're forgetting (hoping?) that Audi have done what they've done and the way they've gone about it over the last 6 years already!
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Old 14 Jun 2006, 17:05 (Ref:1634450)   #12
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Just curious, is there anything in the regs prohibiting audio feedback to the drivers through their earpieces?
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Old 14 Jun 2006, 17:09 (Ref:1634454)   #13
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If I understood well, after Sebring Audi has developed some kind of traction control, but they are not using it as they found that it has bad influence on the gearbox reliability. Anyway, Wheel spin is not a great issue in Le Mans, also because Michelins really improved from Sebring. Now there are no risks in double stinting the tires, but a third stint could mean too much risk.
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Old 14 Jun 2006, 18:24 (Ref:1634508)   #14
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Manfred Jandtke (ex Porsche Sport Chief) just told on motors that the use TC and are one the same level than F1 cars in use of electronics. Normaly he has good contacts and knows what he tells....
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Old 14 Jun 2006, 18:38 (Ref:1634521)   #15
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Whatever systems they have it is going well in the wet at the moment, after a slowish start...
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Old 14 Jun 2006, 18:43 (Ref:1634527)   #16
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Whatever systems they have it is going well in the wet at the moment, after a slowish start...
Yeah the first flyer was immediately fastest.
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Old 14 Jun 2006, 21:21 (Ref:1634661)   #17
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Perhaps the drivers have realised that if it is wet then they could always use less throttle and perhaps a higher gear!
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No TC, all that torque and the possibility of the odd shower (sorry Ayse ) could mean a chink in the Audi armour has been found. Could we see them pirouetting (no pun intended!!!) out of arnage???
Is this what happened to the #7 car at Tetre Rouge?
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Think they have a TC, but this system isnt able to work very fast because this would make damage to the gearbox with this high amount of torque.
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sorry no tc was used
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Old 19 Jun 2006, 08:15 (Ref:1637008)   #21
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Old 19 Jun 2006, 18:01 (Ref:1637356)   #22
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According to Audi's booklet with Autosport this week:

ASR Traction control will reduce the effect of the high loads that are fed to the rear tyres, and help the driver to modulate the V12 TDI engine's power delivery, particularly in wet conditions.

So it sounds like they have something along the lines of TC at least.
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Asked if he might at least borrow the road car’s traction control, Baretsky admits that the R10–like its R8 predecessor–does not have this function, though–since the regulations allow it–a tailor-made utility will be added to the software package. Asked how they keep the tires from wearing prematurely, especially in light of the available torque, Baretsky replies: “Good drivers!”
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Another item on the jovial engineer’s to-do list is a sound system for those drivers. It’s not your typical car audio system, but a speaker system for the driver’s helmet that lets him hear the engine note as the vehicle speed rises. “Tom Kristensen [one of Audi’s lead drivers] told me they missed the information they gain from the engine noise,” says Baretsky. He estimates the R10 at full-throttle puts out about 104 dB, or about 4 dB less than the R8.
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How much does 4db mean? The R8 could easily be hear from the onboard cameras, and for sure easier than the R10. And were these measurements taking into respect the R10's particulate filters/cat. converters?
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4db is a lot quieter .
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