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Old 4 Apr 2008, 14:16 (Ref:2169544)   #26
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I'm assuming none of the cars discussed above have a chassis number.
FWIW I have the chassis numbers of the RT34s which raced in British F3 in 90 & 91, so if someone does have a chassis number e-mail me and I'll tell you if it was a Britsh F3 car.
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Old 4 Apr 2008, 16:25 (Ref:2169664)   #27
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i know where in the uk 1 rt34 is in marlboro colours allegedly mika H car but its not and 1 in a collction in japan purporting the same thing
plus 1 car in scotland is from wsr
how many cars did wsr run 2 that year
i bet 1 car is amade up from spare parts to sell to argentina as the good cars would run class b following season
need to trawl through autosports to see who did what
also bear in mind everyone will assume their car is WSR team car until proven otherwise
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Old 4 Apr 2008, 23:45 (Ref:2169954)   #28
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Ralt RT34

Fabian Malta told me that he bought the car from WSR in 1997 although that does not correlate to Sudam F3 race records which show him running an RT34 in 1993 and 1994 then a Dallara after that. I have queried his dates but have not received a response. The theory that 1 car could have been made from spares is quite possible. The key to all this is WSR, how may cars did they have and to whom they sold them.

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Old 5 Apr 2008, 02:10 (Ref:2169981)   #29
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Ralt RT34

Didn't a guy (Ken is all I remember) who ran ARPF3 years ago have his car painted up like Mika's and claimed it to be the real car when selling it?

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Old 5 Apr 2008, 08:13 (Ref:2170066)   #30
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as i said above i know the car its not Mikas car been thru the chassi # data with adam above
i think wsr had 2 cars and highly likely they stayed in uk for class B i cant see sudam teams buying such a new car until its an old class B f3 car
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Old 5 Apr 2008, 08:46 (Ref:2170095)   #31
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i have found that WSR ran 3 cars in 1990
look at this link for race results many rt34 cars ran in Uk and afew ran in class B in 91
http://www.saunalahti.fi/~vespi1/for.../champfp90.htm
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Old 5 Apr 2008, 12:37 (Ref:2170240)   #32
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Ralt Rt34

Does anybody know the whereabouts of Christian Fittipaldis WSR RT34

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Old 5 Apr 2008, 15:13 (Ref:2170373)   #33
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driftwood has a lot of promise if they can keep it on the circuit!
unless u have achassi number u wilflounder
i have spoken with my mate wh has dealings with WSR he is meeting them next friday
i want to give him aleter with cars chassi numbers etc so he can get Dick to look at his records

I personally doubt the top spec wsr cars went overseas until after they where used in class b f3 for 91 season

so if you have names of later owners dates chassis numbers of cars you want looked into let me know
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Old 6 Apr 2008, 01:06 (Ref:2170800)   #34
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Ralt RT34

AS I have no chassis number, AM number nor gearbox number, the information I need from WSR is if they sold an RT34 to Fabian Malta in Argentina between late 1990 and 1994, and which car it was. It is interesting to look at the site from the link above from Driftwood and it shows only 11 RT34's in British F3 in 1990 yet 81 were built! Whilst obviously some were exported you would think that the majority would be in the UK.

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Old 6 Apr 2008, 01:07 (Ref:2170802)   #35
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Ralt Rt34

Does anybody have a list of runners in 1991 Class B?

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Old 6 Apr 2008, 01:10 (Ref:2170804)   #36
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Ralt RT34

Did WSR run anyone in Class B in 1991?

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Old 9 Apr 2008, 22:04 (Ref:2174169)   #37
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no he was A class only

i dont think 81 rt34 cars built maybe 30
some went to europe and japan had a good handful
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Old 9 Apr 2008, 22:38 (Ref:2174189)   #38
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Ralt RT34

The book "Brabham Ralt Honda" on Ron Tauranac by Mike Lawrence lists 81 RT34's built.

TroyC owns the ex Tanaka WSR car Chassis No 829 in Brisbane Australia.
it is unmolested.

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Old 10 Apr 2008, 07:49 (Ref:2174311)   #39
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yes i met him 4 yrs ago in Brizzy he said he thought his car was WSR he has it with F2 VW motor fitted
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Old 18 May 2008, 11:13 (Ref:2205315)   #40
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RT34

Hi.The ex Minuru Tanaka Leyton House car was sold to Kevin Weeks in australia, Dicky sourced the VW fitting kit and that is how the car was sent to OZ.

Mika’s cars Macau damage was repaired and was damaged again in qualifing for the fuji race. From memory one of the outer skins was replaced, cant remember if the front bulkhead was replaced, the Fuji repairs were effected in the UK when the cars got back.

Christian’s car don’t know were it is, but if I can find my note book I do have the
Chassis No., AM No., gearbox No. and fuel bag No. etc.

Steve who was the No.1 mechanic on Mika’s car was still at WSR two years ago when I was last there, he may have some notes.

Can you show us a cockpit shot of the car you have, also the base of the roll hoop from the engine side

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Old 18 May 2008, 21:37 (Ref:2205903)   #41
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Fred are you an ex ralt factory worker?
do u have list of rt34-37 cars?
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Old 19 May 2008, 09:49 (Ref:2206287)   #42
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Yes and no, worked at ralt for RT33 and March Alfa Romeo indy car build in 1989. Then 1991 RT35 and F3000. Worked for Dicky as Number 2 mechanic on Alan McNish's car and 1990 as Number 1 mechanic on Christian Fittipaldi's car, i have some info on the some cars i worked on. As far as records of cars that were built i dont think that any one that worked at ralt at the time was that much of an anorack to keep car numbers and customers names (the factory records excluded) But saying that at the British GP i do recall a bloke coming around the F3 pits writing down chassis numbers.

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Old 19 May 2008, 10:15 (Ref:2206303)   #43
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The man taking chassis numbers was probably adam ferrington
i have rt35 i bought in japan looking for some data on it
japan had a lot of rt 35 cars
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Old 22 Jul 2008, 12:01 (Ref:2255849)   #44
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Hi All

I have just returned from an extended trip to Europe and the Festival of Speed.

Whilst there I visited WSR and talked seperately with both Dick Bennetts and Mike Ewan. Both told me that their records for 1990 were unfortunately mislaid by a former team manager. They did however remember selling a car(s) to Fabian Malta around that time. Both told me that the Championship winning Hakkinen tub was written off at Macau and sat around the workshop for some time before being sold to a Scottish Hillclimber as a bare tub and "floor sweepings", for the purpose of constructing a hillclimb special.

Fittipaldi's car was run in Macau by Eddie Irvine, also in Marlboro colours.

The car run in Fuji was a spare tub which was built up and run only in that race by Hakkinen in Casio colours. He crashed it on the first lap. This car was returned to the UK and repaired then sold.

All WSR cars were plain white and their "colours" were applied with vinyl film.

They have no records of chassis numbers, AM numbers, gearbox numbers or fuel bladder numbers of any of their cars - all unfortunately lost.

Mike also told me that it was usual practice when selling cars to South America, to dismantle them and ship them as "parts" to avoid import duty. No chassis details were recorded and no invoices have been retained.



Given this information it seems likely that my car may be either the Fuji car or Fittipaldi's car.

Does anyone have information on either of these cars and their wherabouts, also the Scottish hillclimbers car? If I can track these cars them I may be able to identify my car by a process of ellimination.

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Old 22 Jul 2008, 13:00 (Ref:2255891)   #45
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... the Championship winning Hakkinen tub was written off at Macau and sat around the workshop for some time before being sold to a Scottish Hillclimber as a bare tub and "floor sweepings", for the purpose of constructing a hillclimb special.

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Any idea when the bare tub & bits were sold? I don't remember an RT34 being run on the hills in Scotland but that doesn't mean there wasn't one!

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Old 22 Jul 2008, 13:02 (Ref:2255893)   #46
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you went to the FOS and didnt come the 25 miles to buy me a warm beer
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Old 22 Jul 2008, 22:49 (Ref:2256239)   #47
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Sorry Driftwood. I had intended to contact you but time ran out as I was only in the UK for 4 days. Thanks for your help.

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Old 10 Aug 2008, 08:30 (Ref:2266672)   #48
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Hi Fred.R

Interesting info from you, particularly about Hakkinen's car being repaired and raced at Fuji which is at odds with what Dick Bennetts and Mike Ewan told me. Although all this happened 18 years ago.


I have attached photos of the cockpit and roll hoop area of my car, as you can see the car remains unrestored whilst I assemble history and relevant parts.

I notice you are in Australia. I would very much like to talk to you. Please pm your details.

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Old 10 Aug 2008, 08:38 (Ref:2266676)   #49
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Hi Steve

Don't know exactly when WSR sold the Hakkinen tub, although Dick Bennetts said it lay around the workshop for some considerable time, so I assume during 1991.

Does anyone know the whereabouts of the Fittipaldi car?

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AUSSIE RT34

Will probably be working on the ex Troy?? RT 34 next w/e at Eastern Creek at the state champ, hoe is progress with yours??
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