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Old 5 Oct 2016, 17:26 (Ref:3677576)   #301
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TCR will become popular in the US come the end of November when it makes it's US debut.

I don't know what the Audi costs but a VW costs $124,000 USD (without shipping or customs). As we all know, the Seat, VW and Audi are the same, just different bodywork.

Cars look cool standing still, but are not that interesting watching them in person. Only thing that is interesting is to watch non-FWD guys spin out all of the time.
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Old 5 Oct 2016, 18:26 (Ref:3677590)   #302
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Remember, VW and Seat will not provide any customer service with a truck full of spares for the US, Audi will. Thus, you can charge an extra 22,500 USD for the convenience of having it right there instead of either stocking up on the parts/transmission rebuilds done by someone else.
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Old 5 Oct 2016, 19:25 (Ref:3677603)   #303
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TCR will become popular in the US come the end of November when it makes it's US debut.
I've heard that my whole life but it doesn't seem like more than a small portion of the country give a rip about a hatchback and aren't most if not all TCR platforms a hatchback currently? Don't get me wrong I think it could be a great series but think the hatchback part could be a hard sell. Course they aren't make competing turn-key cars out there in that class so guess it's build one and our favorite BOP or get a TCR car.
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Old 5 Oct 2016, 21:47 (Ref:3677636)   #304
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ST in a way is GT5, it's better the TCR.
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Old 6 Oct 2016, 11:32 (Ref:3677802)   #305
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I've been saying for years after GT4 decided to go from being GS cars to much more modified GS cars that GT5 will be around the corner just because all of a sudden a GT4 car will be too expensive to operate. The problem is, rules creep and the point of diminishing returns. In the end, building a GS or ST car costs the same. Same for a GT4 or TCR car. It's doesn't cost any more to strip a car, put in a cage, cell, harness, safety, cooling, air jacks if it's on one class or another. A cage for a GS car costs the same as a ST because the cage has no idea what it's racing in.

The real difference is, the cost of ownership. So when TCR takes over and the drivers go do off road excursions or they get into it on the track, a $300 bumper cover and two $150 fenders for ST will be replaced with a $2K splitter, $1K bumper, and two $1K fenders.

Plus, the only cars in TCR that are sold in the US are the Honda, VW and Subaru. Now we have Audi and probably we will see a Opel rebadged as a Buick. I don't see VW, or Subaru caring at all, about TCR in the US so that will leave you with three manufacturers unless Ford would stop just spending money on their GTLM program and expand it into something else.
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Old 6 Oct 2016, 17:11 (Ref:3677880)   #306
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I have a bad feeling about this. TCR, GT4 etc. I think it'll become a convoluted category and possibly one or two manufacturers will come in and have a dominant car because they're looking at monopolizing the category. I have a feeling it'll be the Audi TCR or Cayman GT4 because the VW group never do anything half-ass. Can't say I blame them, but sometimes the competition could be a lot healthier if it wasn't such a big market waiting to be tapped.
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Old 6 Oct 2016, 18:27 (Ref:3677896)   #307
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Cars in Conti should be following rules that make the car as close as production model it can be. Follow rules from club series like NASA or the local regional SCCA.

Don't allow over the top aero kits, carbon doors and models built specific for track days. Make GS affordable and put GT4 with P3 cars in IMSA. Make that a logical middle step between Conti and the WTSC, call it Super Grand Sport or something.
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Old 6 Oct 2016, 19:01 (Ref:3677911)   #308
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I have a bad feeling about this. TCR, GT4 etc. I think it'll become a convoluted category and possibly one or two manufacturers will come in and have a dominant car because they're looking at monopolizing the category. I have a feeling it'll be the Audi TCR or Cayman GT4 because the VW group never do anything half-ass. Can't say I blame them, but sometimes the competition could be a lot healthier if it wasn't such a big market waiting to be tapped.
Back when GT4 came out, it was pretty much like GS. Even a FR500C won the first championship. It was a GS car with a small splitter and wing. Then after a period of time it just started down the path of more expensive parts to be installed on the car because they were going to be more reliable due to that particular car having that as a weak point. Once one car has that part, then the rest have to have it too. So in the end, you have a car that the manufacturer will build for a reasonable purchase price but the cost of ownership is much higher.

As for a GS, GTS, ST,TC car, they should be more toward a SCCA T2 and T3 car. Not what they are today. All these new rules have done is eliminate innovation, ingenuity and racecars built by regular people. All it is today is buy a car and wait for the BoP to make you competitive.
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Old 1 Nov 2016, 14:48 (Ref:3684549)   #309
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Looks like Ford will be announcing a GT4 spec Mustang at SEMA shortly


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Old 1 Nov 2016, 16:54 (Ref:3684586)   #310
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The deed is done

Very nice looking GT4

And their Instagram States 'worldwide' availability so we could see this in Europe in 17


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Old 1 Nov 2016, 19:24 (Ref:3684611)   #312
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I find this GT4 more interesting than the Ford GT.
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Old 1 Nov 2016, 19:30 (Ref:3684613)   #313
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That's lovely, hope a few of those find homes over in Europe.
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That's lovely, hope a few of those find homes over in Europe.
Well they are going to be available according to the hood/bonnet ...







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Yes, it's a very pretty car but it looks even more expensive then the Shelby Mustang.
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Yes, it's a very pretty car but it looks even more expensive then the Shelby Mustang.
Mustang Gt4

this article(which is behind a paywall suggests its is based on a Shelby Gt350 and will cost between A$150K -A$200K
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Availability does not guarantee presence.
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You got to hand it to Ford. Take the existing GT350R that ran in GS then add a different rear wing, different splitter, different hood, some dive planes, lexan windows and a Holinger paddleshift transmission. Call is a completely new car and everyone is excited. If you went to Barber for the PWC promoter test day, you would have seen 75% of what they revealed at the SEMA show. It'll be interesting to see if it comes in under or over the $196K McLaren 570 GT4.
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You got to hand it to Ford. Take the existing GT350R that ran in GS then add a different rear wing, different splitter, different hood, some dive planes, lexan windows and a Holinger paddleshift transmission. Call is a completely new car and everyone is excited. If you went to Barber for the PWC promoter test day, you would have seen 75% of what they revealed at the SEMA show.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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This. That was/is a lovely car and it would be great to see something close to the Z28R to compete with it too.

Now it has international homologation (I assume) and will be able to be used in championships all over the world, should people want to buy them.
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With manufacturers turn their attention to GT4 the price is only going to go up. That Ford has a expensive sculpted diveplane that won't be fun to replace. In two years the aero from GT3 will probably be found on this class.
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Panoz throwing their hat in the GT4 arena: http://www.racer.com/imsa/item/13641...d-for-avezzano
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I hope they get some customers for the project, it was a good looking car at Petit.
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