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Old 26 Mar 2006, 08:19 (Ref:1561116)   #1
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The following is a list of the Gould chassis and projects. David Gould and his son Sean are currently the most successful construcors/developers of hillclimb cars.

Type/ Ch No/ Engine/ Details
84G - 1.6 Ford BDA David Gould
84G - 2.5 Hart Chris Cramer, David Gould & Sean Gould
GR37 01 2.0 Hart Richard Brown
GR37 01 3.5 Cosworth DFR David Grace/Richard Brown/Tom Brown
GR37 01 4.0 Cosworth DFL Simon Durling
GR37 01 3.3 Cosworth/NM XB Simon Durling
GR37 01 3.5 Judd CV Alastair Crawford
GR37 02 4.0 Judd EV Roger Moran
GR37 02 4.0 Judd/J&F EV Mike Dean
GR37 02 4.0 Judd/J&F EV Basil Pitt – For Sale
GR37 03 3.5 DFR Tim Painter/Andy Fraser
GR37 04 3.5 DFR Rob Turnbull
GR37 04 3.5 DFR Malcolm Wishart – For Sale
GR37S 05 3.5 Cosworth/L&P DFR Tony Marsh – mods incl'd to suit sprinting
GR37S 05 3.5 Cosworth/L&P DFR Paul Ranson/Martin Groves
GR37S 05 3.5 Cosworth/L&P DFR Peter Smith/Kelvin Jouhar
GR37 06 4.0 Judd/Connaught CV Tim Mason/Tim Coventry/Martin Groves
GR37 06 4.0 Judd/Connaught CV Colin Le Maitre
GR37 06 4.0 Judd/Connaught CV Roy Dawson – For Sale
GR37 07 4.0 Judd EV Karl Davison - the Ex-Roy Lane Ralt that Gould's rebuilt
GR49 01 2.0 Vauxhall Leon Bachelier/Ben Butterfield - Dallara F394 Conversion
GR49 01 2.0 Vauxhall Richard & Gill Marshall
GR49 02 2.0 Vauxhall Alan Warburton/Paul Haimes - Dallara F397 conversion
GR49 02 2.0 Vauxhall Andy & Julie Platt
GR51 01 2.5 Opel V6 Graeme Wight & Graeme Wight Jnr
GR51B 01 2.5 Opel V6 Graeme Wight & Graeme Wight Jnr Designated B after SECOND rebuild when monoshock system fitted to front suspension
GR51B 01 4.0 Judd EV Deryk Young/Sue Young
GR55 01 3.3 Cosworth/NM XB Roger & Adam Fleetwood - Engine upped to 3.5 2004
GR55 01 3.5 Cosworth/NM XB Roy & Anthony Lane (never used)
GR55 01 3.5 Cosworth/NM XB Roy Dawson
GR55 02 4.0 Judd EV Roy Lane
GR55 02 4.0 Judd EV Chris Merrick/Karl Davison
GR55 03 2.5 Cosworth/Richardson V6 Rob Turnbull
GR55 04 2.5 Cosworth/Richardson V6 Andy & Mark Coley
GR55 05 3.3 Cosworth/NM XB Tony Marsh
GR55 06 3.5 Cosworth HB Paul Edwards (Driven by Rob Turnbull)
GR55B 07 3.5 Cosworth/NM XB Mike Dean
GR55B 08 3.5 Cosworth/NM XB Martin Groves/Paul Ranson
GR55B 09 2.65 Cosworth/NM XB Simon Durling
GR56 01 3.5 Judd CV Christian Mineef - SPA SC0191 Conversion aka SPAG01
GR56 01 3.5 Judd CV Tony & Matthew Harrison
GR61X 01 3.5 Cosworth/NM XB Roger & Scott Moran - Based on '99 F3 Ralt

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Old 26 Mar 2006, 08:30 (Ref:1561126)   #2
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Above: Chris Cramer at Barbon in Gould 84G



Above: Martin Groves en route at Craigantlet to the 2006 British Hillclimb title in the GR55B
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Old 26 Mar 2006, 12:17 (Ref:1561300)   #3
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Stap me! Very impressive Steve!
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Old 26 Mar 2006, 13:07 (Ref:1561337)   #4
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Stap me! Very impressive Steve!
Thanks Allen, the main thing once you have this level of data is keeping it up to date. That is the hardest part!
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Old 26 Mar 2006, 16:07 (Ref:1561400)   #5
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Steve how long have you been researching all this? and where did you manage to get all the info from? Its really interesting to see who had what and when. Your next Task Steve is to jot down EVERY time each car has recorded at every hillclimb event......... over the last 30 years! I expect the thread up by MONDAY MORNING!
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Old 27 Mar 2006, 10:08 (Ref:1562140)   #6
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Steve how long have you been researching all this? and where did you manage to get all the info from? Its really interesting to see who had what and when. Your next Task Steve is to jot down EVERY time each car has recorded at every hillclimb event......... over the last 30 years! I expect the thread up by MONDAY MORNING!
In answer to your question it has taken me just over a year to firstly get the basis of the research (the initilal chassis numbers and owners) then add in the rest of the details.

As for my next task! Well my comments would be something along the lines of sex and travel!

PS Gould chassis haven't been used in hillclimbing for 30 years yet!

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Old 29 Mar 2006, 14:26 (Ref:1564210)   #7
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Steve, While going through some old Autosports recently I came across a short item on the Gould-Terrapin Mk1 of 1979-80, presumably one of David Gould's earliest projects, which doesn't appear on your list?
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Old 29 Mar 2006, 16:24 (Ref:1564287)   #8
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Steve, While going through some old Autosports recently I came across a short item on the Gould-Terrapin Mk1 of 1979-80, presumably one of David Gould's earliest projects, which doesn't appear on your list?
Correct, as the basic Terrapin was designed by Alan Staniforth and David just made some 'minor adjustments' to that design I didn't include it.

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Old 29 Mar 2006, 17:25 (Ref:1564353)   #9
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Correct, as the basic Terrapin was designed by Alan Staniforth and David just made some 'minor adjustments' to that design I didn't include it.

Ah, not pure enough Gould then. Quite a few 'adjustments' from the sound of it though.
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Another Gould

Do not forget Mike Endean's Puma Gould. [GR 44-01-B] 4wd BDT 2180t/c
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There was a Terrapin that ended up with an 1100cc BD? ontop of the Mini gearbox. This was followed by the Gould Terrapin which had a longitudinal 1600cc BDA and Hewland box. This is described in some detail by Allan Staniforth in 'Race and Rallycar Source Book'.

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What about the car Richard Fry had built originally with the Hart and later a Judd CV engine? I think it was the second one built. I'm sure I've got something in my notes suggesting it was heavily damaged at Shelsley a few years ago when it was being shared by the chap who used to run a Porsche GT2. Unfortunatly I'm not on the web at home so I'm typing this from memory at work and I can't remember his name. Roland Jones possibly?
Didn't RH430 also end up with a Gould rear end? Was this from the Brown car's original 2.0 set up? Coincidentally I'm so glad to have found this forum. It seems I'm not the only " rivet counter " in the hillclimb paddock!
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Old 15 Mar 2007, 15:57 (Ref:1867350)   #13
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The following is a list of the Gould chassis and projects. David Gould and his son Sean are currently the most successful construcors/developers of hillclimb cars.

Type/ Ch No/ Engine/ Details
84G - 1.6 Ford BDA David Gould
84G - 2.5 Hart Chris Cramer, David Gould & Sean Gould
GR37 01 2.0 Hart Richard Brown
GR37 01 3.5 Cosworth DFR David Grace/Richard Brown/Tom Brown
GR37 01 4.0 Cosworth DFL Simon Durling
GR37 01 3.3 Cosworth/NM XB Simon Durling
GR37 01 3.5 Judd CV Alastair Crawford
GR37 02 4.0 Judd EV Roger Moran
GR37 02 4.0 Judd/J&F EV Mike Dean
GR37 02 4.0 Judd/J&F EV Basil Pitt – For Sale
GR37 03 3.5 DFR Tim Painter/Andy Fraser
GR37 04 3.5 DFR Rob Turnbull
GR37 04 3.5 DFR Malcolm Wishart
GR37 04 3.5 DFR John Waggitt
GR37S 05 3.5 Cosworth/L&P DFR Tony Marsh – mods incl'd to suit sprinting
GR37S 05 3.5 Cosworth/L&P DFR Paul Ranson/Martin Groves
GR37S 05 3.5 Cosworth/L&P DFR Peter Smith/Kelvin Jouhar
GR37 06 4.0 Judd/Connaught CV Tim Mason/Tim Coventry/Martin Groves
GR37 06 4.0 Judd/Connaught CV Colin Le Maitre
GR37 06 4.0 Judd/Connaught CV Roy Dawson
GR37 06 4.0 Judd/Connaught CV Bill & Matt Oliver
GR37 07 4.0 Judd EV Karl Davison - the Ex-Roy Lane Ralt that Gould's rebuilt
GR49 01 2.0 Vauxhall Leon Bachelier/Ben Butterfield - Dallara F394 Conversion
GR49 01 2.0 Vauxhall Richard & Gill Marshall
GR49 02 2.0 Vauxhall Alan Warburton/Paul Haimes - Dallara F397 conversion
GR49 02 2.0 Vauxhall Andy & Julie Platt
GR51 01 2.5 Opel V6 Graeme Wight & Graeme Wight Jnr
GR51B 01 2.5 Opel V6 Graeme Wight & Graeme Wight Jnr Designated B after SECOND rebuild when monoshock system fitted to front suspension
GR51B 01 4.0 Judd EV Deryk Young/Sue Young
GR55 01 3.3 Cosworth/NM XB Roger & Adam Fleetwood - Engine upped to 3.5 2004
GR55 01 3.5 Cosworth/NM XB Roy & Anthony Lane (never used)
GR55 01 3.5 Cosworth/NM XB Roy Dawson
GR55 02 4.0 Judd EV Roy Lane
GR55 02 4.0 Judd EV Chris Merrick/Karl Davison
GR55 03 2.5 Cosworth/Richardson V6 Rob Turnbull
GR55 04 2.5 Cosworth/Richardson V6 Andy & Mark Coley
GR55 05 3.3 Cosworth/NM XB Tony Marsh
GR55 06 3.5 Cosworth HB Paul Edwards (Driven by Rob Turnbull)
GR55B 07 3.5 Cosworth/NM XB Mike Dean
GR55B 08 3.5 Cosworth/NM XB Martin Groves/Paul Ranson
GR55B 09 2.65 Cosworth/NM XB Simon Durling
GR56 01 3.5 Judd CV Christian Mineef - SPA SC0191 Conversion aka SPAG01
GR56 01 3.5 Judd CV Tony & Matthew Harrison
GR61X 01 3.5 Cosworth/NM XB Roger & Scott Moran - Based on '99 F3 Ralt
I've updated the list with what changes I have so far. I'll double check on the Richard Fry car but I seem to remember it was a full Ralt RT37 which may well have been given a Gould number?

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Old 16 Mar 2007, 16:57 (Ref:1868394)   #14
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You could well be right, but I definatly remember Sean Gould driving it, although the front wing was a full F3 and not a speed event version, at least untill they fitted the V8. It does beg the question of what's the difference between a Gould modified RT37 with Gould wings and a Judd compared to a full GR37 though! ( laughs ). Any answers to that one Steve?

I'll dig out a few old programs over the weekend and see what it was called when it had the CV in it. Sean enthused about the turn in and traction, so it may well have been used mainly for development work.
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Old 19 Mar 2007, 16:25 (Ref:1871504)   #15
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I've had a look through back issues of Speedscene and the Richard Fry car is most definatly refered to as a Gould GR37 both in 1999 and in 2000 when it was co driven by Richard Jones. It was heavily damaged at Shelsley on June 10th 2000, and my notes state that it was then sold on to Roger Moran. The history of the car is well known since then. I seem to remember getting this information during a conversation with Roger when he first acquired the car, but it could be worth double checking. Hope this helps clarify it's history.
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I'm just trying to put together a history of each Gould hill climb car and it seems that Chassis 2 (the Fry/Moran/etc.) car was originally a 2.5 Hart-engined car for Tom Brown. By mid-season 1997 it was powered by a 3.5 Judd CV and with Richard Fry. Contemporary reports confirm the first two GR37s were Hart-engined originally, but Fry's car may have been based on an RT36 tub (can anyone confirm?).

Following its Shelsley crash in 2000, the car apparently went back to Gould and when I saw it again in August of that year it was mainly in bare carbon fibre finish, with only the rear wing showing signs of its previous colours. It was still with Richard Fry at that point.

I think this clears things up a bit, but I do wonder if Gould re-chassised the car?
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Gould History Table Update for you.

GR37S 05 3.5 Cosworth/L&P DFR Roy Napier / Ross Napier


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Thanks for the reply Roy - have seen your car many times, first with Tony Marsh/Sean Gould driving and later with Groves/Ranson and Jouhar/Smith.

Whilst in Martin Groves' ownership it had the high airbox fitted ('GR37B-style), but still with the air filters poking out of the engine cover: I often wondered why they didn't go for a full high airbox intake?

Ideas?
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Australian Gould

AutoAction April 11-17 2007 notes Andrew Howell winning the over 2000cc Formula Libre class in Round 2 of the Victoria hillclimb championship at Gippsland Park in a Gould GR55B. Which chassis is this?
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It'd be GR55B-11-X.
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Thanks for the reply Roy - have seen your car many times, first with Tony Marsh/Sean Gould driving and later with Groves/Ranson and Jouhar/Smith.

Whilst in Martin Groves' ownership it had the high airbox fitted ('GR37B-style), but still with the air filters poking out of the engine cover: I often wondered why they didn't go for a full high airbox intake?

Ideas?

My first guess is that an attempt was made to balance the air flow between the trumpets i.e. the rears would in all likelyhood, receive more air due to external air flow where the front trumpets under the original bodywork would be reliant on being fed from the engine bay. However, the present added high air box has limited advantage.

The design of an airbox is critical if any gains are to be made. For an enclosed airbox to give any advantage it requires to be sealed and flow testing conducted to ensure adequate and equal air flow/feed to all trumpets.
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AutoAction April 11-17 2007 notes Andrew Howell winning the over 2000cc Formula Libre class in Round 2 of the Victoria hillclimb championship at Gippsland Park in a Gould GR55B. Which chassis is this?
Is this the one now with Tim Edmondson in Australia?
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I'm trying to locate any Gould cars currently available to purchase, condition unimportant, all considered.

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The following is a list of the Gould chassis and projects. David Gould and his son Sean are currently the most successful construcors/developers of hillclimb cars.

Type/ Ch No/ Engine/ Details
84G - 1.6 Ford BDA David Gould
84G - 2.5 Hart Chris Cramer, David Gould & Sean Gould
GR37 01 2.0 Hart Richard Brown
GR37 01 3.5 Cosworth DFR David Grace/Richard Brown/Tom Brown
GR37 01 4.0 Cosworth DFL Simon Durling
GR37 01 3.3 Cosworth/NM XB Simon Durling
GR37 01 3.5 Judd CV Alastair Crawford
GR37 02 4.0 Judd EV Roger Moran
GR37 02 4.0 Judd/J&F EV Mike Dean
GR37 02 4.0 Judd/J&F EV Basil Pitt – For Sale
GR37 03 3.5 DFR Tim Painter/Andy Fraser
GR37 04 3.5 DFR Rob Turnbull
GR37 04 3.5 DFR Malcolm Wishart – For Sale
GR37S 05 3.5 Cosworth/L&P DFR Tony Marsh – mods incl'd to suit sprinting
GR37S 05 3.5 Cosworth/L&P DFR Paul Ranson/Martin Groves
GR37S 05 3.5 Cosworth/L&P DFR Peter Smith/Kelvin Jouhar
GR37 06 4.0 Judd/Connaught CV Tim Mason/Tim Coventry/Martin Groves
GR37 06 4.0 Judd/Connaught CV Colin Le Maitre
GR37 06 4.0 Judd/Connaught CV Roy Dawson – For Sale
GR37 07 4.0 Judd EV Karl Davison - the Ex-Roy Lane Ralt that Gould's rebuilt
GR49 01 2.0 Vauxhall Leon Bachelier/Ben Butterfield - Dallara F394 Conversion
GR49 01 2.0 Vauxhall Richard & Gill Marshall
GR49 02 2.0 Vauxhall Alan Warburton/Paul Haimes - Dallara F397 conversion
GR49 02 2.0 Vauxhall Andy & Julie Platt
GR51 01 2.5 Opel V6 Graeme Wight & Graeme Wight Jnr
GR51B 01 2.5 Opel V6 Graeme Wight & Graeme Wight Jnr Designated B after SECOND rebuild when monoshock system fitted to front suspension
GR51B 01 4.0 Judd EV Deryk Young/Sue Young
GR55 01 3.3 Cosworth/NM XB Roger & Adam Fleetwood - Engine upped to 3.5 2004
GR55 01 3.5 Cosworth/NM XB Roy & Anthony Lane (never used)
GR55 01 3.5 Cosworth/NM XB Roy Dawson
GR55 02 4.0 Judd EV Roy Lane
GR55 02 4.0 Judd EV Chris Merrick/Karl Davison
GR55 03 2.5 Cosworth/Richardson V6 Rob Turnbull
GR55 04 2.5 Cosworth/Richardson V6 Andy & Mark Coley
GR55 05 3.3 Cosworth/NM XB Tony Marsh
GR55 06 3.5 Cosworth HB Paul Edwards (Driven by Rob Turnbull)
GR55B 07 3.5 Cosworth/NM XB Mike Dean
GR55B 08 3.5 Cosworth/NM XB Martin Groves/Paul Ranson
GR55B 09 2.65 Cosworth/NM XB Simon Durling
GR56 01 3.5 Judd CV Christian Mineef - SPA SC0191 Conversion aka SPAG01
GR56 01 3.5 Judd CV Tony & Matthew Harrison
GR61X 01 3.5 Cosworth/NM XB Roger & Scott Moran - Based on '99 F3 Ralt
Does anyone have contact details for the owners of any of the cars listed for sale?
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