93 Swift V 94 Swift V 97 Ray (Kent)

Kershaw · 11 Nov 2007, 15:28 (Ref:2065008)

Which would be the good bet to buy?? Or is there a 'better' alternative?
Pros and cons, Would they all be conversions?
Any advice most welcome,
Cheers,

goughy · 11 Nov 2007, 17:09 (Ref:2065058)

Having raced both the 93 and 94 Swift I would stay away from the 93 as it was a horrible chassis. The 94/95 is a really good chassis which is good enough to run at the front of any championship. The 92 Swift is also a good car, perhaps better than the 94/95. The 92 has been one of the most successful cars in modern FF1600 times.

We now run a 2007 Ray which is a really well thought out chassis. I have not seen the 97 however, and these are certainly a bit rarer, but I would imagine it is there or thereabouts and better than the 93 Swift. Matt Rivett won the Castle Combe championship in one last year.

Kershaw · 11 Nov 2007, 21:08 (Ref:2065170)

Thanks a million, do you know of any 92s/94s for sale, or indeed any RF92s??

**ghinzani** · 12 Nov 2007, 01:04 (Ref:2065324)

I'd back the Swift 92 suggestion also, properly designed for a 1600, not tainted by the Zetec. Altho to my mind the RF90 is the best looking FF1600 ever.

Redracer77 · 12 Nov 2007, 09:42 (Ref:2065461)

there is a Ray 97 for sale on Ebay

verglas · 12 Nov 2007, 11:18 (Ref:2065505)

The Ray 97 is a 1600 car, built to 1600 regs that were applicable at the time. It is possible to convert to Zetec however. It was the first all pushrod car produced by Ray. Whilst it may look bulky it is on or near the weight limit and like the current Ray's is a well thought out bit of kit. Spares are readily available from the works and are not exorbitantly priced. Like all current FF1600's it is a stiff chassis that works very effectively. Definitely worth considering IMHO.....

Triple J Motorsport · 12 Nov 2007, 11:50 (Ref:2065521)

Needs steel bell cranks though.....

verglas · 12 Nov 2007, 12:09 (Ref:2065530)

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Originally Posted by Triple J Motorsport

Needs steel bell cranks though.....

don't go there John!!!!!

Having said that, some very nice fabricated steel bell cranks are available form Gavin at a modest cost..........

kartingdad · 12 Nov 2007, 12:35 (Ref:2065547)

Or keep the alloy bellcranks.

Nobody has been able to define the difference between bellcranks and rockers as far as I am aware.

MattW · 12 Nov 2007, 13:07 (Ref:2065570)

Ive owned both the '93 and '95 Swift, Both were very good cars and had excellent history with top engines. I had my ex Topi Serjala '95 Swift for 3 years and I loved it. By far the best 1600 I have driven. This was 1 of 7 built as a kent.
A couple of years later I bought a ex Brett Francis- PA Motorsport '93 Swift which started out as a Zetec.
A good car but I didn't really get on with it. There is also a bit more room in the '95.

Goughy. Do you still have the '95 Swift? What about the engine, Apollo1?

goughy · 12 Nov 2007, 13:27 (Ref:2065580)

We have sold the 95 Swift although we did hire it back from Bernard Baxter for the WHT this year.

Not sure of the history of the car, but we bought if from Paul Gerrard in 2005. It might be the same car as this was a Kent built chassis which I believe was the ex works car from 1995. I am pretty sure when Paul owned the car it did have an Apollo engine, but this has been re-blocked following a failure at the 2005 WHT. It sounds to me like the same car.

We also has another 1995 Swift before this which was a converted Zetec spec, which I last heard was with Morgan Dempsey in Ireland.

Triple J Motorsport · 12 Nov 2007, 15:05 (Ref:2065652)

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Originally Posted by kartingdad

Or keep the alloy bellcranks.

Nobody has been able to define the difference between bellcranks and rockers as far as I am aware.

Matt wasn't allowed to even qualify at Silverstone pretty sure was the 2005 golden helmet in his 97 because he had alloy bellcranks / rockers.

They tested mine every race in 2005.....

kartingdad · 12 Nov 2007, 17:39 (Ref:2065789)

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Originally Posted by Triple J Motorsport

Matt wasn't allowed to even qualify at Silverstone pretty sure was the 2005 golden helmet in his 97 because he had alloy bellcranks / rockers.

They tested mine every race in 2005.....

Pathetic rule enforcement. But nobody can tell me what the difference is between the two. How do you define a bellcrank or a rocker.

And of course, being made out of alloy makes the performance of the car sooooo much better.

We put steel 'items' on our 95 Swift and they just looked pants really. Still, £100 well spent.

Kershaw · 12 Nov 2007, 18:11 (Ref:2065820)

How much is it for a full set of steel bellrockercranks....???

, really though, how much is a set if I had to go get them..??

What is the history of the 1 on Ebay, what are the thoughts on it?

Thanks for all the replies,

SCOBER11 · 12 Nov 2007, 18:32 (Ref:2065836)

Noel Dunne has a 94/95 swift for sale and last time i spoke to Morgan he said every thing could be bought!

There is also one or two in NI in sheds that could be bought also.

Athgoe Racing · 12 Nov 2007, 19:06 (Ref:2065866)

I think Cliff Dempsey has a 92 swift and a 06 RAY for sale (Red).So there is a few cars for sale here in Ireland.

Redracer77 · 12 Nov 2007, 19:12 (Ref:2065871)

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Originally Posted by Athgoe Racing

I think Cliff Dempsey has a 92 swift and a 06 RAY for sale (Red).So there is a few cars for sale here in Ireland.

How come Cliff is selling all his cars?

kartingdad · 12 Nov 2007, 19:38 (Ref:2065899)

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Originally Posted by Athgoe Racing

I think Cliff Dempsey has a 92 swift and a 06 RAY for sale (Red).So there is a few cars for sale here in Ireland.

Hows your neck Nev?

Athgoe Racing · 12 Nov 2007, 20:24 (Ref:2065944)

Its still holding the old head on, so i can't complain.

SCOBER11 · 13 Nov 2007, 17:34 (Ref:2066691)

I heard there is a 07 Ray in Ireland gettin fitted with air bags but don't know if this is true

I'd say you will manage to get a slice of birthday cake down it as well!

kartingdad · 13 Nov 2007, 18:30 (Ref:2066724)

[QUOTE=SCOBER11]I heard there is a 07 Ray in Ireland gettin fitted with air bags but don't know if this is true

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And wrap around bumpers, you know, the sort you see on dodgem cars.

PS Glad to hear your neck is still supporting your head - we were all worried if your neck was damaged the doc might have had to screw your head on properley. he he

Paul-J · 13 Nov 2007, 21:54 (Ref:2066892)

With regard to the Ray 97 for sale on Ebay, why don't you speak to the seller? You might just get the information you need.....from the person selling the car

Triple J Motorsport · 14 Nov 2007, 11:05 (Ref:2067189)

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Originally Posted by Paul-J

With regard to the Ray 97 for sale on Ebay, why don't you speak to the seller? You might just get the information you need.....from the person selling the car

Isn't that person you Paul !!

Paul-J · 14 Nov 2007, 13:39 (Ref:2067313)

Might be!!!
Cheers
Paul

vector-pat · 20 Nov 2007, 13:33 (Ref:2071698)

How about neither !!! My 95 Vector FF1600 is for sale - have a look on motorsportads

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