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17 Indy 500 victories for Roger Penske.
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Wow, congrats Will Power.
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Another stat, Will Power is the first Australian to win the 500.
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27 May 2018, 19:42 (Ref:3825078) | #181 | |
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Ed bringing old the old guy contingent with buttermilk. And wonder if Tony was asked then Leist right after him with the "I don't care the temp" response.
Thankfully no conspiracy and complaints with someone asking for OJ, his own OJ after the race. Sent from my SM-G955U1 using Tapatalk |
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There were simply far, far fewer passes and almost no lead changes on track. That's a fact you cannot deny. We were promised the opposite, because the myth that less downforce = better racing still persists. |
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Some of us actually read articles and interviews Ankit the new aero kit from drivers, owners, engineers. I know, it's hard but actual information can be useful and informative. Passing was up at PIR this year and was expected to be up at Indy. However, up is relative as I believe last year was one of the lowest passes for lead races in a while. And higher temps supposedly massively impact the car's handling. Also it's not a myth about low DF for this kit. It's WHERE the DF comes from, it's close to last year's levels but much less tuneable as the majority comes from the underbody not the wings. But reading can be hard Sent from my SM-G955U1 using Tapatalk |
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Nonsense, and even if it was it very clearly failed massively. All the PR regurgitated explicitly mentioned the less downforce part, and as you can see in the link I provided above the car actually does have quite a lot less downforce than before.
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That was the case the last few years as well, yet we still saw a lot more passing and lead changes. Nothing about the race has changed besides the aero kits. The drivers weren't going 'hell for leather' before this.
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Do you really think a less green track has that much impact? I sincerely doubt it.
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Still, I had wondered if Mr Carpenter could defy the odds and get the job done. The (much) smaller private team did great to lead & end up 2nd.. |
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Also to give some context: I'm mainly unhappy about IndyCar meddling with a perfectly good formula for the wrong reasons. The racing was, as I said, fine. The stated claim was that removing the aero kits and going with a less downforce heavy car would improve the racing. Somehow. But really, what could possibly be improved? The manufacturer aero kits didn't even get a proper chance before the new guy came in with a kneejerk reaction. We had great Indy 500s, even great races at Barber which previously was always a sleep inducing procession (most road races were). So now we have this. All the PR crap about how amazing the car looks (I actually agree with that, it looks cool) and how much better it would be with less downforce. I never bought it then and this race showed why.
To me it all reeks of a kneejerk reaction in response to a lot of whiners, both those who didn't like the look of the cars and those proponents of the myth I described earlier. So many people screaming that all of racing's problems can be solved if there was just less downforce. It's become a religion at this point. And now that the new aerokit is here people have huge cognitive dissonance because they have to defend it. (not so much here on this board, thankfully.) |
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It's a lot harder to control the car, let alone overtake, if you've got the car sliding around because of a lack of mechanical grip.
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I honestly enjoyed this race greatly today. Yeah, not as much passing as years past, but there was plenty of racing and stories to keep the intrigue for me.
Too bad Marcos "Taz" Ambrose ain't in the 600... |
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Damn. This was by far the most boring Indy 500 in the DW12 era.
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