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Old 8 Oct 2019, 05:05 (Ref:3932596)   #31
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Old 8 Oct 2019, 07:03 (Ref:3932599)   #32
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It's a done deal. The editor is gone. There are 2-dozen ads in the October issue of F1 Racing advertising their Plus service, overpriced b.s. I'd be surprised if the Suzuka issue gets printed. That massively sucks....
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Old 8 Oct 2019, 07:32 (Ref:3932609)   #33
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Everything that I was about to post has been written here!

So nice to know I'm with like minded people.

It's such a shame about AS and MN, but I contributed to their demise because I haven't bought them for years. I was always disappointed there was no online MN of any importance, maybe the name would have been saved had it had one.

The problem is there's so much info these days and no more time to consume it. Even typing this has to be at the expense of reading something else e g. Autosport.

Motor Sport magazine has found a great niche IMO combining in-depth F1 technicals with a love of sports cars, Le Mans and a great affection for the cars, personalities and happenings of the past. The articles are well written and have passion. It is the only magazine I read from cover to cover, and there is only one place in the whole house I have the peace and quiet to do so.

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Old 8 Oct 2019, 07:33 (Ref:3932610)   #34
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As someone who contributed to the Rich Energy thread, but not the Gurney thread (i don't think) I believe you are missing an important nuance here.

The Dan Gurney passing is way more important to me. I have the Gurney bumper sticker.

However I am not inclined to post in that thread, I don't feel an affinity with the passing threads for various reasons. Something I've developed over the years. Even if I did I would have posted maybe once or twice.

The frivolous energy drink thread was a current topic and changing, so it would get more posts. Also it is frivolous. It is a different thing. As with journalism, there is a difference between quantity and quality.

A good point. I rarely post in such threads either as I often find them mawkish and crass . But I was (perhaps clumsily) making the point that ,for many , modern motorsport begins and ends with current F1 . I suspect only a tiny percentage of modern F1 fans even know about , let alone attend, the huge array of live motorsport we have in the UK .


For them , some ephemeral trivia about whose logo appears on an F1 car seems far more important than who was fastest at Shelsley Walsh (where?) or the programme for 2020 National racing events('that's like Goodwood innit ? ') and Autosport reflects this . We no longer have motorsport enthusiasts in any number, but we have a big F1 fanbase for whom such status just means watching too much TV .
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Old 8 Oct 2019, 08:21 (Ref:3932614)   #35
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I feel sorry for the longtime freelance photographers and journalists who are now going to struggle to make a living if their Autosport/MN contracts are terminated.

These are the guys and girls who brought you the weekly club news. They are not f1 photographers who are on nice retainers from big teams but the humble people stood in tabards at some cold, wet club meeting trying to make an interesting photo from a 5 car race.

You have seen their names tagged in photos “Walker, Jones, Bourne etc” but these are the kind of people most affected by the demise.
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Old 8 Oct 2019, 09:17 (Ref:3932626)   #36
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A good point. I rarely post in such threads either as I often find them mawkish and crass . But I was (perhaps clumsily) making the point that ,for many , modern motorsport begins and ends with current F1 . I suspect only a tiny percentage of modern F1 fans even know about , let alone attend, the huge array of live motorsport we have in the UK .


For them , some ephemeral trivia about whose logo appears on an F1 car seems far more important than who was fastest at Shelsley Walsh (where?) or the programme for 2020 National racing events('that's like Goodwood innit ? ') and Autosport reflects this . We no longer have motorsport enthusiasts in any number, but we have a big F1 fanbase for whom such status just means watching too much TV .
That's really unfair. It's 2019 not 1969, no matter how much we wish otherwise.

Surely the problems of today are far more important than the victories of years ago? We can't affect what's happened but we can be interested in and try to influence what's happening.

As for fans only watching F1, I've no real interest in football or rugby but sometimes watch the top international games. Should I be banned from doing so because I don't also read about Dagenham Boadecias playing the Bromham Owl Appreciation Society in the Southern Zone 2 Wednesday League for Left Footed Players? If doesn't make me a bad person.

And your point about "rarely posting in tribute threads" really has echoes of my Woolworths comment earlier on.

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Old 8 Oct 2019, 09:33 (Ref:3932633)   #37
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I feel sorry for the longtime freelance photographers and journalists who are now going to struggle to make a living if their Autosport/MN contracts are terminated.

These are the guys and girls who brought you the weekly club news. They are not f1 photographers who are on nice retainers from big teams but the humble people stood in tabards at some cold, wet club meeting trying to make an interesting photo from a 5 car race.

You have seen their names tagged in photos “Walker, Jones, Bourne etc” but these are the kind of people most affected by the demise.
But won't they still have a place on the t'interweb?

That said as far as historics/hillclimbs and rallies are concerned Retro-Speed magazine may find its readership increase.
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Old 8 Oct 2019, 09:38 (Ref:3932634)   #38
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But won't they still have a place on the t'interweb?

That said as far as historics/hillclimbs and rallies are concerned Retro-Speed magazine may find its readership increase.
How much club Motorsport is reported on the Autosport.com website, certainly no club race reports
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Old 8 Oct 2019, 09:43 (Ref:3932639)   #39
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But won't they still have a place on the t'interweb?

That said as far as historics/hillclimbs and rallies are concerned Retro-Speed magazine may find its readership increase.
Where is Retro Speed? never heard of that one-think that is covered by Motorsport mag?
have been reading mags since 1955 but guess no further need for print.
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I have just seen in one of my FB feeds and advert for this:

https://motorracinguk.com/2019/10/03...available-now/

Issue 5 apparently. Not seen it before. Digital and print issues. Anyone know anything about it or read it?

If someone thinks this can work, maybe this is the answer for those of us that are national and club racing addicts?
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Old 8 Oct 2019, 10:01 (Ref:3932644)   #42
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I've not seen an actual copy of that.

For a while I tried to run an online news portal catering for clubman level racing - I considered the series where a well funded amateur could race and covered those.

The biggest problem was finding people who were willing to write reports for their particular series - despite those series probably writing a race report for their own website of social media stream. Photographers were slightly easier to find.

Maybe I should resurrect it.
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Old 8 Oct 2019, 14:14 (Ref:3932696)   #43
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I must admit to not having read Motorsport News since it assumed that title.Autosport is an occasional indulgence if there is a report on an event I have an interest in,but sadly it has succumbed to the inevitable triumph of electronic media.It couldn't compete with something that put the information in front of the enthusiast in a fraction of the time.The publications that are less focused on the currency of their content and which produce interesting and well researched articles are better placed for survival.I had noticed quite a churn in the editorial staff of Autosport and I hope the people who have the advantage of listing the title on their CV's will find alternative jobs where they can use their experience.


As a side question,what happens to the show at the NEC now?It would be a bit odd to call it the Autosport International if the publication ceases to exist.Maybe an online version will find a niche as a subset of motorsport.com-any ideas?
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I had noticed quite a churn in the editorial staff of Autosport and I hope the people who have the advantage of listing the title on their CV's will find alternative jobs where they can use their experience.
We can all agree with that.


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As a side question,what happens to the show at the NEC now?It would be a bit odd to call it the Autosport International if the publication ceases to exist.Maybe an online version will find a niche as a subset of motorsport.com-any ideas?
According to the Twitter stuff (usual caveats), there will be no change to these including the Autosport/McLaren Driver of the Year Awards etc.
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