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26 Sep 2011, 16:15 (Ref:2961212) | #101 | ||
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No problem Victor RO, I was just making the point that the 45 car was a lap ahead with seconds to go and was rather unfortunate to not win, to say the least.
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26 Sep 2011, 17:18 (Ref:2961235) | #102 | ||
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Here's a clip of the race, not really highlighting the events, but nice to watch nonetheless. There's a clean overtaking from the Rebellion on the Pesca at ~3mn40.
Waiting for more comprehensible footage, but this clip confirms there were profesional cameramen recording the event, so I'm optimist we get to see more soon. |
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26 Sep 2011, 19:50 (Ref:2961306) | #103 | ||
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The key plays in the GTE race were:
Stint 1 - Rob Bell checks out and leads by 25 seconds Stint 2 - James Walker checks out and leads by 48 seconds Stint 3 - Rob hits Jota and looses 20 seconds. Rob then comes up to lap Pilet in the IMSA Porsche in P3, who then proceeds to block him and slow him down by 3 seconds a lap, completely ignoring blue flags until the 77 car is just 3 seconds behind. 77 then leapfrogs 66 in the pits and leads again. 88 Felbemayr also used by Porsche as a blocker and gets a stop/go having lost Rob another 3 seconds or so Stint 4 James catches up to the back of 77 Stint 5 Rob emerges ahead off 77 in the pitstops and holds on for the win. Amazing feeling on the wall at the end, but the organised blocking across two separate teams by Porsche is the most cynical thing I've ever seen - they should be ashamed. But the result proves that cheats don't prosper :-) Ben |
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26 Sep 2011, 19:55 (Ref:2961310) | #104 | |
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The rules don't exactly forbid blocking... so technically it isn't cheating, just playing safe and dirty
Obvously I haven't seen any footage but I doubt it's any worse than the stuff diesels do to each other in every race |
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26 Sep 2011, 20:13 (Ref:2961317) | #105 | |||
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I hesitate to say it, but the blue flags only appeared when someone complained, and after the Ricard start debacle it just looked like someone was "owed" a win, if that doesn't sound too conspiratorial. Ben |
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26 Sep 2011, 21:02 (Ref:2961349) | #106 | ||
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The Ojjeh's still own that Zytek, right? Will they continue to own one (or both) of the cars that Greaves will use next year? I know there was word that they would run two cars next year, but I have no idea regarding the details of the program. Anyway, congrats to Ojjeh and Greaves on a spectacular season. Oh, and a Norma on the podium? Who would have guessed that? Great job by them even if it was a little lucky. |
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26 Sep 2011, 21:28 (Ref:2961370) | #107 | ||
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Real shame this wasn't televised. Was at the circuit joyriding around the track. Got some up close visuals near the end of the JMW and Felbermayr duking it out at the uphill chicane for the GTE lead. And even the IMSA Porsche was busying receiving jabs from the lonesome AF Corse 458.
Not to mention the grudge match between Pescarolo and Rebellion, including an amazing pass by Rebellion almost half way through on the Pescarolo down the start-finish straight. TV companies and sponsors really got it wrong by not investing in TV coverage. There's nothing like Le Mans racing. Those LMPs are just amazing looking machines. And was great to shake hands with Bobby Rahal in the paddock as he was there driving a Lola in the Classic Endurance race, also a very entertaining lot. |
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27 Sep 2011, 07:27 (Ref:2961508) | #108 | ||
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Sounds like a great race and would love to see the GT-E battle but unfortunately it looks like we may not. Half assed doesnt begin to describe what I think of this.....
Thanks to vyselegend btw for posting the link to the xtremeproductions vid on youtube. |
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27 Sep 2011, 10:25 (Ref:2961563) | #109 | ||
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Thanks ubrben for more insight than you can get from Live Timing, this explains Reb Bell's comment post race (DSC) that "Porsche pulled rank", all adds to the picture and makes lack of TV a real shame.
If Hindy is reading this can he give any idea when (If??) the highlights will be on. Will need to set the recording device as I shall not be in UK next week. Surely ignoring blue flags is an offence? |
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27 Sep 2011, 10:29 (Ref:2961567) | #110 | ||
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I thought the general rule in sportscar racing was that blue flags are advisory that there is a faster car behind, but it is up to the car behind to actually make the pass.
Dangerous blocking on the other hand (if this is what actually happened) should be clamped down upon whether it's for position or lapping traffic. |
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27 Sep 2011, 12:34 (Ref:2961634) | #111 | |||
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Only place to display info about flags on the lemans-series.com website is here, and surprisingly the only description to Blue Flag is: "A faster competitor is about to overtake." So indeed it seems the Blue Flag waiving is just informative for the slower driver, but does not imply a mandatory pass of the faster car... Anyway I'm not for the hard blue flag rule ala F1, because in sportscar a laped car must have the right to unlap itself if it's faster, but obviously no one is pleased by the blockings like the ones from Pugs at 2010 Zhuhai and 2011 LM, and Audi's 2011 Sebring etc... My feeling is that the lack of rules forbiding blocking is a sensible choice for Sportscar racing, but somehow ACO should find a way to prevent abuse from competitors. (ie clarifying the limits of the line between defensive driving and dangerous blocking.) |
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8 Oct 2011, 16:11 (Ref:2967604) | #112 | ||
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I'm just watching the highlights of this race on Motors TV in the UK. It is possibly the worst race coverage I have ever seen. They spent most of it covering qualifying and a load of pointless driver interviews, and about 10% of the time on the race itself. Complete waste of time
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When coverage works it's great, but it so often disappoints. I know in a lot of ways this sounds like needless moaning, given we now have so much more than we did in years gone by, but really there are fewer and fewer excuses for bad production values these days. |
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