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Old 21 Apr 2018, 11:17 (Ref:3816780)   #31
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IIRC I think Fiesta used it later...
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Old 21 Apr 2018, 12:06 (Ref:3816787)   #32
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I think Pop and Pop Plus were retired when the Mk II Fiesta finished production.

EDIT: wrong! Moniker continued on the Mk III Fiesta...

The RS Focus roadcar has different drivetrains, suspension and subframes. How different I don't know, the part numbers are different.

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Old 21 Apr 2018, 15:16 (Ref:3816807)   #33
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The RS Focus roadcar has different drivetrains, suspension and subframes. How different I don't know, the part numbers are different.
None of those are used on the BTCC versions though.
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Old 22 Apr 2018, 12:10 (Ref:3816890)   #34
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Yes indeed. Motorbase calling the Focus an RS or Dynamics the Civic a Type R is marketing only. None of the components that distinguish the performance versions of the road cars from the bread and butter versions exist on the NGTC cars.
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Old 22 Apr 2018, 13:21 (Ref:3816898)   #35
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Yes indeed. Motorbase calling the Focus an RS or Dynamics the Civic a Type R is marketing only. None of the components that distinguish the performance versions of the road cars from the bread and butter versions exist the NGTC cars.
The fact that Honda is called the Type R and the Focus an RS allows the teams to exploit the aerodynamic improvements of those models, over other models in the car range.
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Old 22 Apr 2018, 18:20 (Ref:3816912)   #36
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All those aero parts are changed on either model anyways so that doesn't matter. It's pure marketing, nothing else.
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Old 22 Apr 2018, 18:26 (Ref:3816913)   #37
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All those aero parts are changed on either model anyways so that doesn't matter. It's pure marketing, nothing else.
RS still has it's functional rear diffuser.
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Old 22 Apr 2018, 20:43 (Ref:3816934)   #38
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All those aero parts are changed on either model anyways so that doesn't matter. It's pure marketing, nothing else.
Team Dynamics are definitely using some aero on the type r that they would not be able to use if it was any other Civic.
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Old 22 Apr 2018, 20:51 (Ref:3816935)   #39
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oh dear


does another "Homologation special" wars loom on us ? like Honda offering some extreme parts as "options" on the road cars that almost nobody would buy in order for Dynamics to be able to use it


and so on the other factory cars
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The RS shell is actually different to all other MK3 Foci. The most obvious differences are the reinforced rear struts and the higher boot floor. Probably a moot point as the BTCC cars aren’t new anyway, but I thought you may be interested!
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Old 23 Apr 2018, 08:15 (Ref:3816981)   #41
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The RS shell is actually different to all other MK3 Foci. The most obvious differences are the reinforced rear struts and the higher boot floor. Probably a moot point as the BTCC cars aren’t new anyway, but I thought you may be interested!
The RS boot floor is identical to the rest of the range it just has a deeper polystyrene tray under the mat than some other models because of the subwoofer where a spacesaver spare wheel would normally be. The extra room required for the rear drive unit is made by fitting a smaller petrol tank.
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Old 23 Apr 2018, 08:49 (Ref:3816985)   #42
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oh dear does another "Homologation special" wars loom on us ? like Honda offering some extreme parts as "options" on the road cars that almost nobody would buy in order for Dynamics to be able to use it and so on the other factory cars
no. the model of the whole car (like Type R) must be a minimum 2,500 produced and sold in UK. they can't use 'options' or 'add ons'.
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does another "Homologation special" wars loom on us ? like Honda offering some extreme parts as "options" on the road cars that almost nobody would buy in order for Dynamics to be able to use it


and so on the other factory cars
I don't think so - unless you consider the whole Type-R as being an extreme option?

The Type-R contains enough aero design to meet NGTC needs, without any options being required.
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no. the model of the whole car (like Type R) must be a minimum 2,500 produced and sold in UK. they can't use 'options' or 'add ons'.
Regulations just state the model should be freely on sale in UK dealerships at time of homologation. It doesn't state a minimum number produced and sold. If it had, the Proton and MG would never have been allowed.
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Regulations just state the model should be freely on sale in UK dealerships at time of homologation. It doesn't state a minimum number produced and sold. If it had, the Proton and MG would never have been allowed.
sorry but you're wrong.

regulation 3.1.1 "At least 2,500 cars must have been produced in 12 consecutive months"

yes it says that they must be freely on sale in UK dealerships, but it doesnt say that all those 2,500 must have been sold in the UK.
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